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I think it's catastrophically political and from a pr perspective. i think that the back and the forth and the changing stories over and over and over give the impression that, a, rudy giuliani is completely winging it. there's no cohesive plan or strategy from the white house. and, b, that he is admitting to things that are untoward, for sure, and also contradictory to everything that's been said over the last year. >> are you sigh an emerge position of a legal strategy here? can you say, all right, i know where this is going? is he trying to send signals i don't see a strategy. do you see on...

That because of the several pr disasters that you just mentioned including the violent dragging of the passenger of one of its airlines as well as some of the recent deaths of some pets who were on board as well. so it hasn't been a very good year from a pr perspective but the stock for united airlines is still up 4% this year. that is compared to a 10% drop for american airlines and 2.5% drop for delta. as you said the chairman is going to be replaced as well. some other news in markets, bond markets are getting a little bit excited because ten year yields are now approaching 3%. this is a le...

Came from the trump campaign. again, not an ideological opponent. so he's not just being questioned by people who are career employees, there are two political appointees who are at the epa, who are sounding the alarms about pruitt's conduct. how does he survive that? and how does this not become a white house story? those two people seem to take this right to the doorstep of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> and it is a white house story. what you have right now is the president is not -- or his staff is much further ahead on this than the president. i think if it were up to john kelly, pruitt wou...

Again, not an ideological opponent. so he's not just being questioned by people who are career employees, there are two political appointees who are at the epa, who are sounding the alarms about pruitt's conduct. how does he survive that? and how does this not become a white house story? those two people seem to take this right to the doorstep of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> and it is a white house story. what you have right now is the president is not -- or his staff is much further ahead on this than the president. i think if it were up to john kelly, pruitt would have been gone a long time ...

When it comes to the question of when there was to influence the campaign, something michael denies. what's the most effective legal strategy? is it one we're seeing from daniels' attorney, or is it one that's going to work in your view? >> they're going with what they think is the best strategy. they're probably gung to end up arguing certain things don't rise to the level that trump needs to know about them. his attorney has blanketed authority agreement on these thing. it protectings trump the most in that this decision was made to cut this check without consulting him. that may put cohen i...