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$130,000, that's not normal. especially 11 days before an election. and you have potential finance laws that have been violated. so, there's legal ramifications and i think from a pr perspective, it's something that the president can't run away from. >> and the fact that they're now going to federal court to try to get closed-door arbitration. this is the president's legal team. they've got a new lawyer out in california, represented hulk hogan in the gawker attack. so a pretty smart lawyer. >> the reason that's so important here is that it's in a way throwing a lifeline to one issue for the p...

Seemingly credible evidence, serious evidence that rob porter did do this and it was really him falling on the floor to come out and say, hey, but i like him. kelly: josé's, what's -- jose, what's your response? the president wasn't protected by chief of staff. >> look, if i worked for the white house i would advise the president to have john kelly resign immediately and like beverly said from pr perspective, john kelly is going to become a distraction to this white house. he should resign immediately. i think he mishandled this whole fiasco, his white house statement contradicted himself, he...

Pushing back and pushing back on that report that was by abc news. what are you hearing from the sources, beverly, in the white house about kelly's standing with the president? >> i think there's a possibility that he will resign and here is the reason why, i don't think anybody thinks that general kelly took this job as chief of staff because this was out to him, he took it because he wanted to do what was in the best interest of the country and made critical errors in the past week. of course, there's whether or not he knew about rob porter, what did he know in the past, the reports that are...

To change in the coming hours or days to get a deal? >> we've got to figure it out. you know, this isn't a war of words. this is what just infuriates me. this isn't politics between two parties -- it is real people's lives. the president of the united states is supposed to be the leader. he needs to be figuring this out. this isn't a gift to him on his first-year anniversary in his sarcasm. he needs to help us make sure that we're delivering for the american people on the issues that they need. i don't think any of us, i know i don't, we need to get this solved. we need to address all of these...

Stance on this. >> garrett, you talk about trying to winnow down this time, was it going to be a month, 30 days, now down to three weeks. chuck schumer had proposed a ten-day extension. from a pr optics perspective, this one, we go to a government shutdown to coincide with the one-year anniversary of the president's inauguration, that ten-day extension would have gone to the day right before the president makes a state of the union address. you would think there would be even more pressure because nobody wants to have the government shut down from a pr perspective for both the annual date of t...