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compost giveaways and many of the things recology provides, which i think is great. i love that recology provides these services to our city. just to get a sense of what the benefits are. we have a sense of whether the residential rates are comparable and whether the fees are comparable compared to the services that other jurisdictions are getting. it would be good to get that. could you also talk a little bit more -- we are out of compliance with state law. are the penalties associated with >> that> there are no penalties. it is a concern that we do not have 15 years as part of our ...

the lafco hearing, some numbers about the fact that we do essentially and effectively have a franchise fee that anywhere between 10% to 30% in san francisco. that comes from a number of the fees and free services provided to the city of san francisco through recology. it equals about $29 million. although we do not have a formal franchise fee agreement through the rate process, we have set up many programs and many incentives for recology to provide either free services or additional programming. in terms of the timing, we have concerns for all the reasons. regarding union pacific --...