sean: unfortunately that is all the time we have left set it on dvr so you never ever miss the episode of hannity monday through friday 90 eastern let not your heart be troubled because greg gutfeld is standing by the idea to put a smile on your face next. [ cheers and applause ] greg: i expect nothing less. happy tuesday. historic day for the first time ever hunter biden did not to get off. found guilty of 3 felonies facing up to 25 years behind bars the good news if he goes to prison his family visits and conjugal visits could be done at the same time unlikely maximum sentence since his first conviction community services likely he shown a interest in working with unwed mothers not the kids. biden froze for 30 seconds at white house event calling it the longest he is gone without saying something stupid he then exchanged of fist bump his hand it should heal in 4-6 months. s&l talking with the biden campaign to reach voters biden s campaign raiders are asking s&l to write comedy. aoc and rachel maddow claimed if trump elected they will be locked up even more terrified is the view of going to fat camp. researchers using ai determine elephants call each other by names in their own language i thought we already knew that. trace gallagher shannon bream the canadian cancer society apologized for using cervix instead of the trends friendly front hold. not to be confused with the word ass hole. south dakota governor kristi noem says trump choosing a woman vp would help in wynne especially if he needs help shooting bleep bleep and books mentioning butts and farts can t be banned in public libraries good news for my new book. you know it s coming. you know it s coming. so prior to a jury finding biden guilty and has gun trial as defense found an unlikely ally the second amendment the thing democrats hate more than they hate soap. last week in a last-ditch effort hunter asked that as the questionnaire he said violated second amend meant rights of the argued the question asking if he was a drug addict was unconstitutional in the state had no right to infringe on his second amendment s rights just because he did a little dope and buy a little dope i don t mean george stephanopoulos i mean so much coco scarface would ve recommended rehab. is still the defense has a point so why is it unconstitutional well they argued historical intoxication statutes can t stretch far enough to justify disarming a sober a citizen based on past drug use and that i m sorry but make sense is a constitutional for the government to remove the secondment meant rights of a person based on an the conflict let s forget about hunter the same law would borrow wounded that who uses cannabis for pain from exercising his right to self defense imagine a person in recovery who now owns guns should he go to jail never mind the ruling people from going to treatment or seeking mental health help i need it. now did hunter break the law sure but it s an unjust law you can disagree with me you are disagreeing with the second amendment it shall not be infringed but if that sounds familiar to you then you must be paying attention to our very own kat timpf rolled the flashback flashback dude. you can make the argument and said this is unconstitutional because the second amendment doesn t have an exception in for if you re addicted to something you can make the argument that is secondment meant rights are being violated which it would be funny to see joe biden asking the court to make that argument her next book now the rules say estate you should only applied for me during the monolog but her next book should be called how i tried to keep hunter out of jail but imagine that the sun of a democrat president suddenly puts on an nra part saying politics makes strange bella bedfellows but for the second amendment s state i daresay get hope hunter were a condom because i don t want that getting genital warts. so while the verdict maybe bad news for hunter it s also bad news for the second amendment he was found guilty of being in possession of a firearm as a drug user or addict but there is many americans who fall into that category. but it offers trump a golden opportunity to condemn it but the democrats in a box if trump calls unconstitutional the democrats agree suddenly they are on the side of the second amendment but if they don t it forces them to applaud the guilty verdict of the president sent i bet his dad would love that what if the commander dims commander and soiled briefs he said he wouldn t pardon him but the odds abide in remembering that are the same as michael loftus wearing underwear it s a headache for joe but that assumes he has feelings about the neckline hears him at an event last night. was that joe or a statue of joe. if he was any more frozen maas protesters would ve spray-painted on his face. at this point the best they could do for him is unplugging with 5 minutes and reboot before calling tech support you want to hear something worse years joe today had a gun summit gun-control summit talking about you gun owners. by the way they want to take on that if we get out of line mr talking about they need f-15s they don t need a rifle what did he just say i kind of know what he said but still still is not about what you need it s your right to have a rifle this is the guy you believe january 6th was an insurrection apparently we shouldn t worry because he has f-16s or after 15 sees aft up and so his approval ratings dropping faster than his boobs when his bra comes off. even liberal election forecasters suggesting the unthinkable that biden drop out just he did in 1988 democrats what was a marketable candidate michael dukakis he says in biden just hit an all-time low and approval 37% dropping out would be a big risk but there is some threshold below which continuing to run is a bigger risk democrats would ve been better served if you decided a year ago not to seek a second term and give voters a say among the many popular democrats across the country the many popular democrats what i hope he doesn t fill out a gun application soon because apparently he is high as well who do they have this guy it looks like a tennis pro gave the entire country club committed chlamydia like this chuckle monster i ve seen whoopee cushions with more depth this guy s transportation secretary ellie transporter was illegal immigrants on midnight flights talk about a shallow bench they make fox and friends look like the supreme court what does joe think. no no luck nobody steps down i m not going anywhere. if you re going to beat me after run against me and nobody wants to do the right who do they have the california debt guy at the hearing the teeth really when he likes him is him get the vp lady good luck with that mayor gaye judge booty pete he can t beat me nobody respects him and it s not because he s gay either. it s because he s not a real judge let s welcome tonight s guests. she can use to handstands will she grandstands. [ cheers and applause ] he puts the half and half i m homeless michael loftus. her bumper sticker says food is for losers new york times best-selling author and contributor kat timpf and he doesn t wear hawaiian shirts he wears hawaii as a shirt new york times best selling author, comedian and former and debbie way world heavyweight champion tyrus. kat i would go to you first even though you re not a lawyer but i m interested what you thought of the verdict given your verdict feet of fillings on the secondment creek. you know how i feel because we talked about it this morning we also know i agree with everything in your monolog i think that what i read about is the way partisanship can do divide us and convince us to argue in favor of giving up her own rights this is a good example about that because everybody who wants to see the biden family go down i understand where that comes from i certainly think they been involved in corruption i don t think this is the thing to slammed him on because based on the data we do have on drug use in gun ownership tens of millions of americans could be guilty of felonies and faced decades in prison over the exact thing what i argue he was a responsible gun owner i would not but there was no victim here in the law doesn t designate that somebody who uses marijuana who s a veteran or a wounded veteran for chronic pain could fall under this and what you need to do to avoid it having partisanship clad your thoughts is take the biden s out of ask yourself do you agree with and is a constitutional debbie or second amendment s rights which shall not be infringed nothing what so ever do you want that to be up to the subjective standard of what doesn t doesn t qualify as an addict and have the government be the ones allowed to make that determination and the answer if it s no as it is for me then yet to be against us and also even if you like the law if you think it s a great law you have to say he can t really argue it s constitutional there s a difference between a statutory law unconstitutional you can t argue it s constitutional regardless i you feel about it. emily in the greenroom you said you hope biden fries. rereading my thoughts? no. geographic at orgy think it s a different thing how do you look at it. is a great point let s have that is the foundation over which let s put historical statutory applications bottom-line in 1968 the gun control act was passed where congress said you can t possess a gun if you are under the influence of you re addicted to these controlled substances then the controlled substances act which defined what that meant to be omega go for a whole decade here they make gutfeld stop it. the reasons many americans are vulnerable and that hundreds of thousands of brothers and sisters and parents and uncles have been incarcerated is because of those lawes going all those decades back so currently over 157,000 people are incarcerated federally it s a federal prosecution 10% of them second-most is for firearms offences number 1 is drug offences so i also feel when the jury when they were pulled from the beginning they said over half of them direct family members they sought as being 1 more person just that being your last name you won t get away with it i saw them get incarcerated as well i cite taken away also so at the end of the day on the president released a statement saying we love her son were going to appeal and his family in court look so angry i feel it s welcome to the real world there are 157,000 american families going through the same thing right now he just went through today. can i just say some thing superfast i would love to see this actually get overturned on appeal and then it can strengthen second amendment rights for all of us. it would have to be the supreme court like for circuit courts and stuff. greg: you legal ladies pop pipe down i have to get the homeless guy in here. greg: whoa-mac he was she could go to prisons you could have a roof over your head? as a homeless lesbian i do and i realize now that i have developed a cardboard and shellfish allergy so no more sitting around eating clamps from a box. no more freak lamotta juice a want to talk about joe locking up you have to to keep them away from bright lights they are calling them home that s where he went he was just standing there going uncle bo z is that you did the un have an uncle bo z. you can t even clap at that point. as to the gun thing. [ snoring ] it s a good point in its true and is not what i want hunter to go to jail for what about the rest of the. [ bleeps ] laptop. it s like sweet jesus i m tired of the crimes where it s like yet to be careful about pulling that down like when trump as his attorney do something that s 34 felonies that you are slinging guns around high school dumpsters and doing drugs and that s just a 3. it makes zero cents the only thing good about this is a gives hunter a better story when he meets his fellow inmates right if he s like i opened up several shell companies and i was taking money from ukraine and putting that in the shell companies 10% would go to my father you might as well just suck a dude off their. greg: tyrus finish this out for us. he wouldn t to got that far. really disagree with you guys but if you like your examples are flawed like when you talk about the veteran. prescription lead is legal so he s not an addict the skylight about being an addict he s taking controlled substances yet to commit the crime to get it anyhow he is again there s a reason that simply as anybody who lives there it s a reason he was so he is lucky when he left the gun in the car it was someone in his family who got it he lifted there someday took it or there s a reason why we put these things in place of crack was legal he wouldn t be an addict unfortunately alcohol is legal because it was first it s 10 times worse than most drugs but you can drink all the beer you want and say i m not an alcoholic and you aren t lying. he asked if she was asked if he was an addict they check the box and 7000 people testified he lied so. [ bleeps ] send him to jail like the rest of us who commit crimes. crack is illegal. 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( ) at evernorth, we combine medical and pharmacy data with behavioral health data to identify members in need of care. predicting and treating behavioral health issues quickly. while lowering costs for plan sponsors and members. that s wonder made possible. evernorth health services greg: nancy makes a clear will the national guard wasn t near here s footage from januare frozen face nancy pelosi taking response ability for not having the national guard and the capital that day watch. we have responsibility and there wasn t any accountability for what was going on there. we should have. it is ridiculous. they ve already breached should be called the capitol police i mean that the national guard i were they there to begin with. they don t know. they clearly didn t know with responsibility there because it s stupid in a situation like this they thought they had a wet thought they would act as civilized. even with the mask even with the mask she sounds hideous. emily what is going on here why is this out now. why is she taking responsibility for this there is something going on here. her daughter s making a documentary that s part of the file turned over after everybody found out about it the irony is that after the video was released the pelosi spokesperson said 3 years later house republicans are trying to whitewash january 6th it s shameful unpatriotic empathetic what i think is pathetic is the findings from the gop january 6th committee that returned it 10 p findings among them house democrats like speaker pelosi were concerned with optics after the summer of love it so want to the play the national guard being too afraid to have any form of law enforcement ready because they didn t want it to look bad when the streets are being burned down so that s her fault not trump s. didn t vindicate trump called for the national guard. it vindicates trump and that they should release all those january 6th people right now. and i am with you why are we seeing this now. nancy must have felt bad because both claws were going so sober as they had the ability to talk again crap the back of that dan gave terry we other responsibility i don t know how them going to buy stocks and do insider-trading now. it felt like a performance. low me get this straight she knew they were going in the building and did nothing about it locker up. 20 years is what you get. 20 years. what do you make of this iec conspiracy why are we seeing this now? and her daughter is filming this that s what i m struck by her daughter filmed she s making a documentary what s going on with this family like i would give anything a bravo reality show for nancy pelosi s family. greg: it s creepy the january 6th committee as that should be in there but the 2 republicans were. 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[ bleeps ] for 8 years that s likely going to say now why would else do you have it s passed that they overplayed their hand in their worried about consequences everybody who try to get away with stuff and lied and push false narratives are now afraid they re going to get their comeuppance and they call revenge are gonna me a camp signal you shouldn t be allowed to call yourself a journalist when you peddle lies narratives if anything once he wins where you going to do now because no matter what you do he s gonna finish his 4 years in the winds again absence like always going to lock me up at the celtics when the championship jayson tatum and jaylen brown are going to come to my house and beat me up. greg: by the way how does she think he s going to lock her up like what could be the crime like she leaps from a he becomes president i go to jail she leaves at all the stuff in between i was like is it because she s a journalist like whatever she is i don t know because it s so preposterous and if it s being a journalist but year paolo barack obama if you want to see the high volume of journalists imprisoned it s like they are in a space capsule they haven t evolved so outdated like listening to robert de niro when he was ranting and raving recently the thing coming out of his mouth trump s not going to accept the results fascism and he s wearing a mask is like watching somebody from 2016 and you re like we are so past that i don t know who listens to her but it makes me as lame as it sounds there are camps with millions of people in them and they are in china if i would her i would steward or time and platform a little better because the trump delusion derangement syndrome is stupid and i wish she would use it for sighing actual. greg: well put. maybe they would go on tv and say she has to go oh, no,. greg: coming up a coach to a slam dunk a question which stunk. for my patients. it really works. with fastsigns, create factory grade visual solutions to perfect your process. fastsigns. make your statement™. this is steve. steve takes voquezna. this is steve s stomach, where voquezna can kick some acid, heal acid-related damage to the esophagus called erosive esophagitis, and relieve related heartburn. voquezna is the first and only fda-approved treatment of its kind. 93% of adults were healed by two months. of those healed, 79% stayed healed. and voquezna can provide heartburn-free days and nights. other serious stomach conditions may still exist. don t take if allergic to voquezna or while on products with rilpivirine. voquezna may cause serious side effects including kidney problems, diarrhea, bone fractures, severe skin reactions, low vitamin b-12 or magnesium levels, and stomach growths. call your doctor if you have diarrhea, stomach pain or fever that won t go away, decreased or bloody urine, seizures, dizziness, irregular heartbeat, jitteriness, muscle aches or weakness, spasms of hands, feet, or voice. voquezna can help kick some acid, and so can you. ask your doctor about voquezna. home inspectors, general contractors, roofers; all kinds of pros recommend leaffilter. why? 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the journalist come on we need to stop using that term more watered-down than a racist in these days. when joe came and i thought he was too young didn t have experience but then he pulls a stunt like this you heard the race baiting pin just drop and nobody had a follow-up question they re trying to get him a gotcha moment glad to see a brother stand up and say it has nothing to do with my coaching ability or anything it s my work ethic and faith they got me where i was at and just ended it. forget the fact that we are up 2-0. i invaded his podcast dropped a bit and the full went for like it s a bin prank calling him a week but again it goes to the point where most of us just like the funny blackeye get field the skin is knowing to do with character and jokes. some glad her prominent black eyes because a lot of times psycho that school and he said enough of the seas done this before he did with the rowe family is like what was it like sing next to the prince he was like jesus is only king i serve so just murdered them all the time kat as a devout christian and sports however how do the comments make you feel great. like i could be a sportswriter. yahoo sports. i m serious because i could have known he would have answered this way there are a few things i follow lasted then basketball because you know what i did i googled him but to think you re going to go into an interview the same person when asked about meeting at the royal family answered like o chiese as mary and joseph this is a christian man gaia prioritizes his fave talks about his faith you could ve known he would answer this way if you bothered to google so sportswriters don t need to know sports or even pretend to google it if things don t work out here i ll just go to espn i guess. do they put basque ballgames on at the shelter? they do fro chicken wings from a distance to catch me where they actually from chicken? completely rowe seo and have to fight to kill the chicken with your single can of pork and beans the question was crazy is like for the first time since 1975 okay it was settled in 1965 are we seriously arguing about lack of diversity in the nba okay. let s out of the fight arrow lysed trans people having coached a single team in aussie let s get in there and fight for the ball and help me change my address. you are insane tonight mr loftus taking special outrageous bills last to you emily. only because of them. what you think. my point is do your research on the person you re covering but the promise we lived in an anti-christian anti- judeo-christian society is wei harrison becker i would say but to us and i know that s not right why he was vilified for speaking out for his faith at a catholic college in a filet no problem pray for them being a twitter handle when you tragically dropped on the field prayer is only okay when everyone else doesn t so i applaud this coach irrespective a sports team skin color or anything for being a bastion and beacon for being a christian man in the social environment. up next a texas court overrules banning books on butts in schools [ ] nobody is watching the news. [ ] gary: almost 11 on the east coast let s talk about butts and farts ruled houston area schools and libraries kennel longer banned books that mention but and farts like i broke my butt. and larry farley leprechaun. tyrus, are these books a gateway does shakespeare and chaucer? i think this is a gateway for your new tv shows where you have afternoon shows about farts and butts. gary: that s a great idea emily, as an adolescent boy in my past, i loved about farts and butts. if this is what gets a little boy to read, i love it. it is hysterical that there is this category but at the end of the day the ruling that you can t ban the book because you don t want to see the message but you can ban if it s unpopular so for those communities who do not want them to read about butts and farts. trace: my dream is to be number 1 on amazon in the category i don t know if there is a button fart category but i want to be the trailblazer. i m glad this ruling has been made those on staff picking up the slack and you been a way lobbying for this. gary: it was tough. being a homeless guy, you come in contact with smelly butts and terrible farts and that s how i know i m alive but it unites people rather than divides. farts are always funny and as long as they re not teaching little kids sex stuff and those are the books you want to have and here s who s riding these books because i wrote a book doing well at amazon.com because you have to do the follow-up and it s don mcmillan is our whole thing she s written five books exclusively about butts. what s all that about and they all have the pseudo-porn titles that, hey, ladies slow down. we get it. greg: we need a second but. i glued my butt. greg: will talk about that will b e right back. s how do you find the perfect father s day gift? simple. just type wt.com. weathertech has hundreds of premium products that will keep dad s vehicle looking its best. like laser-measured floorliners, cargo liner and seat protector for extra interior protection. sunshade blocks harmful uv rays. the cupfone perfectly secures his phone while driving. order these american made products or a gift card at wt.com. happy father s day. greg: thank you emily, michael and the audience. i love you and good night. 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cultivate the taylor swift voting demographic. this is one of the more popular entertainers musicians, and the world right now and it comes at a time where both candidates are also fighting for that younger vote for the younger generation some trump s supporters may already be skeptical of taylor swift and her politics in january pro-trump broadcasters and politicians put out conspiracy theories implying that the nfl had rig games and favor of the kansas city chiefs to promote swift and travis kelce and give them a platform to endorse president biden, none of which, of course, was even remotely close to being true wealth. how instrumental has taylor swift been in getting out the vote? this is why the biden and trump campaigns both want her on their side, wolf last year in september, she put out a message on instagram asking young people to register to vote according to tracking agencies. as a result of that in just one day, about 35,000 people registered to vote. that s how much sway she has especially among younger voters, turn biden both desperate for that demographic. very interesting guy, brian tied reporting for us. thank you very much brian. i m wolf blitzer in the situation room thanks very much for watching. the news continues. next on cnn leader is reportedly caught saying we have the israelis, right where we want them a federal jury hands down guilty verdicts for hunter biden on all three counts against him making him the first child of a sitting us president to be convicted of a crime the wife of us supreme court justice samuel alito s secretly recorded what she said about the controversial flags outside her home, and the people who criticize to the flying them cnn breaking news but we begin this hour with breaking news a new report released just moments ago from a un commission finds israeli authorities and palestinian militant groups, including mass responsible for war crimes and other violations of international law. the commission has also found israel responsible for crimes against humanity during its military operations in gaza following the october 7 hamas attack. i want to bring in cnn s jumana karachi, who joins us live from london. thanks for being the un says it has evidenced at both israel and hamas have committed war crimes or report just handed down to mount. and what can you tell us? well, linda, this is a these are the findings of the un commission of inquiry on the palestinian territories and israel, this is a body that was set up by the united nations human rights council back in 2021 during the offensive in gaza at the time. and now for the past few months, they have been investigating the events of october 7 and events since they have released to reports, 200 pages long in total so with their findings on both what is happening in gaza during these military operations, as well as what took place in israel on october the seventh. and what they say here is that they have found hamas and six other palestinian armed groups it s responsible for war crimes committed in israel. and they also found that, as you mentioned, that they accused israel of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity during its military operations in gaza. now this linda, they say, is the first in-depth un investigation into the events of october 7 and events since they accused israel of obstructing their investigations, not giving them access to israel or palestinian territories, but they say that this investigation relied on interviews with victims and witnesses. they went through thousands of open source item is that they verified, they say through advanced forensic analysis, they had hundreds of submissions satellite imagery, forensic medical reports. now, when it comes to october the seventh, linda, these are the main findings. they say that these militant groups, hamas and these other groups are responsible for the for war crimes including intentionally directing attacks against civilians murder or willful killing, torture, taking hostages, including children and more. now, these crimes, they say, we re committed by these militant groups as well as palestinians. they say in some instances, in civilian clothing, they identify they say patron s indicative of sexual violence. and concluded that these are not isolated incidents, but perpetrated in similar ways in several locations primarily against israeli women. and the indiscriminate firing of thousands of projectiles against israeli towns and cities. they say that causing deaths and injuries is a violation of international humanitarian and human rights law. then you ve got the report on what is happening and what has happened in gaza during these military operations, there accusing israel of these war crimes and crimes against humanity, including you including using starvation as a method of warfare, murder, and willful killing intentionally directing attacks against civilians, sexual violence extermination, gender, persecution of palestinian men and boys, murder forcible transfer and the list goes on. what they say is when you look at the immense number of civilian casualties in gaza, the widespread destruction they say that this is the result of what they have found to be a strategy to cause maximum damage, disregarding the rules of war, the principles of distinction shin proportionality, an adequate precautions. and what they say is the intentional use of heavy weapons with a large destructive capacity in densely populated areas. they say that you know, all these evacuation orders that the israeli authorities have issued, that that was not adequate, that that was not enough. that they found that civilians as well came under attack when taking these evacuation routes or in designated safe areas and then they go into the humanitarian situation where they say they have found to be a total siege of gaza imposed by israel. and they say that this as what they found here to be the use of the weaponization of aid and access to gaza. saying that this was what is happening amounts to punishment. collective punishment against the civilian population and they also found instances they say a significant number of civilians who posed no threat intentionally killed by israeli forces. and in these cases, linda, we have to mention that they mentioned, they cite to reports that were reported by us at cnn over the past few months. now we have now reached out to the israeli government for comment. but it s worth mentioning here that they have made their position very clear on this commission. they said that they are not going to cooperate with them months ago. accusing this body of being an anti-israel and anti-semitic body, they have had issues with members of the commission. and of course, this is coming we ve seen the tensions rising, the relationship deteriorated between the united name nations and israel over the past during the conflict, as much as israel has come under criticism for its military operations in gaza, it has accused the united nations and several of its bodies and of an anti israel bias and not being fair towards israel. but we will we will continue to try and get more common from israeli authorities today on these findings, linda yeah, we will stay across history or de john monocrop. good to have you with us on this breaking news story. thanks very much we are following more breaking news out of israel, whether military says a large missile barrage has been fired from lebanon towards its northern territory. the idf said about 90 projectiles cross the border in total with some marking fires seen as ben wade, him and following developments for us and joins us live from a root. good to have you there first ben, so they re fighting it. the israel-lebanon border is continuing to intensified is take us through this escalation yeah i mean, what we re what we re seeing is real intensification overnight, there was a strike in the town of zwei. you wear we re hearing reports of four people killed. and in fact his butler on its telegram channel has come out and said that four of its fighters were killed, including a senior commander by the name of tlaib sammy abdullah now, we don t know if they were actually killed in this strike in southern lebanon because his butler never says where they re people were killed. but it appears that this is a is, described as a commander. so in response, it appears hamas has fired a volley of rockets from the lebanese sayyed, where hearing more than 50 the israelis are saying as many as 90 according to the israeli media, it is caused fires in parts of northern israel. now, video has come out on social media showing that most of those rockets fired from lebanon have been intercepted and intercepted presumably by the iron dome system, but certainly what we ve seen in the last week is that his bulla is used because in weaponry that seems to be somewhat more sophisticated last week it appears that they were able to take out one of those iron dome batteries, several days ago, hizballah was able to shoot down a hermes 19 is rarely drone. that s the third so far. now those drones fly at a very high altitude indicating that hezbollah is now using fairly sophisticated anti-aircraft weaponry. twice in the last week, they ve also used anti-aircraft missiles to fire at is israeli planes in lebanese airspace. so although much of the focus of the last few days has been on the situation in gaza and israel. the situation on the border between lebanon and israel is becoming increasingly tense. and there is ever more talk of the possibility of war between israel and his berlin fact this morning, we heard the iranian foreign minister warning israel not to fall into well of lebanon know, suddenly a frightening thought of ben, but i do if weekend for a moment want to turn our focus back to gaza because the fate of that latest proposal for a ceasefire seems more unclear right now, what are you hearing from hamas in terms of baer response to this proposal? well, it appears both sides are accusing the other of rejecting the proposal. now, israel is telling, saying israeli officials are saying that hamas is rejected. hamas has responded saying, no, we haven t rejected it. in fact, is a rich pays a member of hamas is politburo is saying the palestinian factions have responded positively and seriously to the proposal and are accusing israeli media of incitement and attempting to confuse the situation. it s a bit like when you re bargaining in the soup just because you reject a price doesn t necessarily mean you re not going to buy the goods. this is a bargaining, this is negotiations. so at this point, i think both sides are accusing the other of rejecting it, but i don t think we can say that the deal is dead yet. it s just bargaining and we will continue to see what comes out of the next round of mediation band wiedemann forests, covering all those developments. thanks so much. well, hunter biden, the son of joe biden, is now the first child of a sitting us president to be found guilty of a crime after his conviction on three federal felony gun charges the president braced his son off to landing and delaware hours after tuesday s verdict, the jury deliberated for less than three hours concluding that hunter biden violated laws meant to prevent those suffering from substance abuse from buying or owning a firearm and of course, it created an awkward political moment for the us president who just hours after his sons conviction, was speaking at a previously scheduled gun safety event harold, in his efforts to strengthen gumballs and enhance the penalties for those who violate them. well, let s discuss this where the riva martin and attorney and legal affairs commentator, she joins us from los angeles. good to have you with us hi. sorry. i had to buy it and found guilty of three felonies lying to a licensed firearms gun deal. i m making a false claim and a firearms application. and of course, possessing that illegally obtained gun for those 11 days he does face up to 25 years in prison. but could get a fraction of that. what do you anticipate well, one thing we do know is that hunter biden does not have any prior felony or any kinds of convictions on his record he didn t use the gun that he purchased for any crime, so no crime was committed with bad gun. he has been according to reports, clean and sober now for at least four or five years, given that he is likely to demonstrate a great deal of remorse, given the types of mitigation letters and testimony that we will see from supporters and friends. i think he ll get the lowest sentence possible, and i think it s so important to note that this case, the case that was brought against hunter biden several former prosecutors who had been in charge of us attorney s offices said this is not the kind of case that they would have even brought so i think we can t overlook a gloss over the political aspect of this prosecution. so i don t expect there to be any sentence in the range. what s being reported with respect to the 25 years, i think it ll be at the lowest end of the sentencing range yeah. an array that just on that point, as you alluded to people at the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, did apparently say that anyone else would have seen these these charges dropped with this case drop if he wasn t as well-known, just how unusual is it for someone we know criminal record to go to court for an offense like this it s very unusual. i saw some statistic that you ve talked about less than three to 5% of individuals in this situation would have ever had charges brought. and even if charges were brought most likely this was the kind of case they would have resulted in a plea deal, not the kind of case that would have occupied the time and resources that we saw the government put forth and you can t help again, but look at all of the personal and very embarrassing information that was revealed during this trial, it seemed like the trial was about embarrassing hunter biden and therefore embarrassing the entire biden family more so than seeking justice, i was quite surprised. i should say, at the outcome at the verdict by the jury, i thought there would be jury nullification. i thought the jury would look at this and say this just doesn t pass the smell test. there s something blatantly unfair about this prosecution but they looked at the facts and said they put aside of the reality that this was the president s son. and reach their conclusion. and like democrats have been saying throughout the day you have to accept the verdict the jury, and i m prepared to do that, but i was surprised by it of course hunter biden does face and other trial in september over his failure to pay his income taxes during a years-long crack alcohol spending binge. should that case b. of more concern to him? woke absolutely much much more serious case of very easy to prove cases where there are allegations of failure to pay federal income taxes the allegations here is that he failed to pay over $1 million over a three-year period. but i think we re going to see something happened in the tax evasion in case based on what we saw in the case that just resulted in the conviction, and that s probably a lot of testimony about his drug use, about his addiction that probably had something to do played some role in why he did not pay his federal taxes. again, this is the case linda that ordinarily would have been resolved by plea deal and remember, there was a deal that was interred into by the special prosecutor and biden s attorneys that would have allowed for both the cases, the gun charge case, and the tax case to be resolved without going to trial. and so given that it is going to go to trial, the second case in september does tuesday s guilty verdict potentially raise the stakes for any future sentencing? absolutely. yeah. again, i don t think he has much jeopardy when it comes to the convictions today, the nature of the charges, his background, what we expect to see in terms of mitigation however, the federal income tax evasion charges we ve seen very a high-profile famous people serve jail time on very similar charges. so my estimate is that to the extent there is jail time and that hunter biden has to serve any jail time. it s much more likely to be related to the tax evasion case than it is with respect to the gun charge case. right? good to get you on the program or even martin, as always, thanks so much for your time thank you. linda will the new are controversy for the us supreme court one justice and his wife are caught on tape speaking to someone they thought was a religious conservative that conversation next telling me what you want from this want to be a scar, cool to be normal, liked this is waiting for who knows where it traumas you, i will not let you down if i were you know, i ve stopped talking every time i need a new 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tonight. no comment from the supreme court after two of its most senior justices and one of their spouses are heard on secret recordings discussing sensitive topics. people in this country, believing god, embedded, keep fighting to return our country a place the bodley names i agree with justice samuel alito speaking to lauren windsor during a dinner last week hosted by the supreme court historical society windsor, a liberal activist posing as a devout catholic when talking with the justice, where he also addresses the current polarization of the country we can go the polar i think it is a matter of like i think you re probably one side or the other side or the other is i don t know i mean, there can be a way of working our way of living together peacefully it s different because there are differences. one fundamental things that really can t comment it s not like we re going to split the difference this society condemned the secret recordings saying attendees are advised not to discuss anything from the event. windsor defended her actions today in an interview with cnn, there s nothing illegal in a dc about recording people so long as one person is a party to that conversation, to people who want to pearl clutch about this yeah. please tell me how we re going to get answers when the supreme court has been shrouded in secrecy. and really just refusing any degree of accountability whatsoever. cnn has not independent candidly obtained or heard the recordings in full, but they come after recent ethics concerns involving the court, including controversial flags flown at homes of justice alito flags that the justice said were put up by his wife martha-ann alito, also heard on the audio for xi addressed the flag controversy head-on. know what i want. i want sacred. heart of jesus glad because i had to look cross the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. and he s like, oh, please don t put up a flag. i can i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send them most of every day, maybe every week. i ll be changing the flags. windsor also secretly recorded chief justice john roberts, who rebuffed her when she made a case for more christian society we live in a christian nation and our supreme court to be guiding i don t know, that we live. in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and muslim friends who would say maybe not. and it s not our job to do that. it s our job to decide i do the cases, especially we have not seen any comment on the secret recordings from the supreme court or from the justices or justice alito s wife. now the supreme court historical society hosted this dinner where the recordings were made. it is a yearly event held inside the court building. were members because of the society are allowed to buy tickets for themselves and one guest. and the gathering provides members rare access to the justices as we saw in these secret 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extraordinary access to some of the facilities at those camps. as well as the notorious panorama prison this is her exclusive report and a warning. it begins with some disturbing images cell phone videos of isis is brutal justice that the world hoped it would never see again. she might want him amash shared for the first time with cnn these images or captured in rocco or mosley in 2016 they were taken in 2022 in the al-hol camp in northern syria the sprawling dumping ground for the women and children captured after isis was defeated five years after the fall of the caliphate, isis is ideology lives on here security officials warn it is a ticking time bomb ungovernable and hostile to the outside world. you can see just how fast this place is more than 40,000 people are living here in the most dangerous part. the camp is called the annex. that s where some 6,000 foreign nationals are currently within we were granted exceptionally rare access to the annex by the us back syrian democratic forces sdf, who control the camp the women here hail from more than 60 different countries several raise their right index fingers for the cameras sign of solidarity with the islamic state do you regret your decision to join isis or wash she complains that the conditions in the camp are awful there are people in the world who will say, you went to join isis. you deserve it. you deserve it. what do you say to that? normally if enemy yeah women need me for the majority of alcohols residents are kids who have ended up here through no fault of their own un has called it a blight on the conscience of humanity. it is effectively a prison camp for women and children are arbitrarily and indefinitely detained should to a group stops us with a frantic plea. one of their sons has been arrested trying to escape the camp. she s asking if she can get her son back, who s in a prison the youth mark, we want to just send him out. so the sdf wouldn t take him. she tells us once boys turn 12, here, they take them it is a troubling story we hear over and over again the sdf says, it is their policy to separate adolescent boys because they are being radicalized as by their mothers an sdf raid earlier this year netted this video of a training session for children inside the camp. the sdf claims young teenage boys are married off to repopulate the next generation of isis fighters they say may explain the roughly 60 births recorded here every month this is where some of those boys end up after they are taken the or cash rehabilitation center conditions here are much better than the camps, but there are only 150 beds and they are all full shamil cha car grew up in cologne, germany until his parents took the family to the isis capital rocha. a shrapnel injury to his head has left shamil confused how old are you? chem omitted without if you don t know shamil was living in our whole camp with his mother and siblings until a few years ago when security forces came into their tent in the middle of the night in colombia enough for a man came and pulled me up and tied my hands behind my back. my mom was screaming. she said leave him alone. he tells us i didn t want to go with them. he pushed me saying, put on your shoes, but i didn t hit me islam is from dagestan on russia and is one of the youngest boys here which gives me three to it via mama hey so he s saying that he is just 12-years-old. he has been here about three or four months. he was taken from his mother he doesn t even know what his last name is human rights organizations have said the separations are on a pauling violation of international law but the sds top general muslim abdi defends the policy. no duck ethnic instead of these organizations condemning what we re doing and calling it a human rights violation. these organizations should give us help when it comes to our program that we have in place for years now to rehabilitate these children. but part of the problem seem it s to be that once these young boys turn 18, there s not anywhere for them to go, particularly if they can t return to their home countries and so some of them, i believe are ending up in prison necessity taken when he says, this is not a policy that we are following to put them in prison at 18 the reality is the goal is to reintegrate them with society but cnn has found that boys as young as 14 had been held here at the notorious panorama prison with an estimated 4,000 inmates. it is the largest concentration of isis fighters in the world. no journalist has been allowed inside panorama since 2021 until now so the head of the prison has asked me to put on a head scarf where we walk through here because these are some of the most radicalized prisoners they have a senior us official told us the number one concern at panorama is a prison break the fear that was realized in 2022 when hundreds of inmates managed to escape and i. look inside 25 men sit cross-legged in silence cell is spotless the men, we see appear to be indecent physical condition but tuberculosis is rampant in the prison. and we are only allowed to look inside two cells versus your, where you a british man approaches the great, but does not want to show his face i know advocacy groups called the us funded panorama illegal black hole, worse thing guantanamo bay in an interrogation room. we meet 19-year-old stephane, ucc or lou from suriname. he tells us he was brought to the prison when he was 14, along with more than 100 other miners have you had a lawyer ever you talked to a lot where i don t know about the big guys as we speak about the kids assume. well, if you know the truth, we don t know even my were always like punished as like five years in prison. i were punished we don t even know what he s done. like we ve been imprisoned because of our clients at the sdf intelligence headquarters. we need british pakistani dr. mohammed socket accused of joining isis. he claims he was the victim of an elaborate kidnapping plot. it says panoramas, inmates our abused. so we live in torture. i live in fear when you say you live in torture, do you mean that you are actually physically being tortured? this happens on an off what kind of torture? like beating by the stick? by the gods to be honest, i m just waiting for my death there s no getting out of this prison. probably never the warden at panorama called sockets claim of abuse false, saying quote, all parts of the prison are monitored by cameras and no prison guard can act in this way. the sdf and the us are pushing countries to repatriate their citizens from syria, saying it is the only solution to this complex and dangerous situation. but the process has been slow and many including western allies are dragging their feet in the owl rose can we meet brits, canadians, belgians, australians, and a couple of americans? survive basically 30-year-old hoda methanol has been stuck here with her seven-year-old son for more than five years. i have to ask you, i m seeing all of the women here are fully covered. a lot of them covering your phases you re not covered, you re wearing a t-shirt is that hard it was hard when i first took it. i would say for the first 23 years people would not accepting of it. and they harassed us a lot. they stole our stuff and i had to stay strong and show example from my son, born and raised in the us, hoda became radicalized online at the age of 20, and left her family and alabama to live under isis a decision she quickly regretted if you were to be able to go back to the us and you had to go on trial, potentially serve time in prison. have you reconciled yourself without possibility? i always tell myself that i m going to prison would be a step forward in my life if i had any time to serve, i d server and come out and begin my life with my son for now? that is not an option while the us advocates repatriation, it ruled holders us citizenship invalid on a technicality, but i didn t write now, she lives in fear for her son s future what do you miss most about america i just want to breathe ever i can arrow and be around people. i loved the people of america. they re very open and they re very forgiving and they re very, they re people who gives second chances and i think if they were to sit down with me and listen to my story from the beginning, they would give me a second chance but second chances are hard to come by here for most repentance is demanded and forgiveness rarely given as the cost of ignoring this ugly crisis continues to mount. clarissa ward, cnn, northern syria i m gonna statement to cnn a us state department said the department has not changed its position with regards to miss mu who found a citizen status as the state department to and determine and the courts are grade. she s not and never was a us citizen was sort of calm. the mystery of the north korean football star who went missing three years ago. i need to make a dramatic return now, we ll look at what s going on russian for trying 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qualifiers. but the mystery surrounding his absence remains and young hoc, a japanese born north korean former soccer player, who knows and met hahn tells me the striker has extraordinary talent. the two first met in 2019 when khan said he watched on to play for the country a pandemic later, they briefly met again in tokyo just this last march on, encouraged khan to help the team reach the world cup and says he was told by a north korean official that khan was stuck at a north korean embassy in china when the country shut its borders during the pandemic, then we re starting at 20. khan had to train alone for about two to three years, less the timbre i think they let them into the country on is worried the time away from the pitch severely affected the budding star s career, where the goal i feel like he lost out on the chance to grow more at the right age and time when he could have really developed. i think he could have played better. i ve been doing national team matches. it s really regrettable in north korea, sports are popular pastime and a tool for social control, discipline soccer in particular is a fan favorite and draws him thousands of spectators under the watchful eyes of sports enthusiast and leader in java and the kim regime is looking to elevate north korea into a sports powerhouse echoing its 2010 world cup qualification, only the second time it has desso a moment on remembers with pride, saying players were recognized with a certificate and departments and pyongyang. but the country suffered bruising defeats on the actual world cup stage and rumors quickly ensued of the national team facing punished schmidt from the regime, including public shaming, a narrative on strongly denies biotic. it s pretty hard to get information about the democratic people s republic of korea. so there are still stories about people being sent to the coal mine after losing a match or being lectured for six hours. but there are no such stories at all as far as i know, 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hamas has not confirmed the claim and said the proposal opens up a wide pathway to reach an agreement. from jerusalem, our middle east correspondent hugo bachega has more. hamas has expressed readiness to reach a deal, but it s sticking to its initial demands, and they include a guarantee that there will be a permanent ceasefire in gaza, and also the complete withdrawal of israeli forces from the territory. now, qatar and egypt, which have been mediating the talks, say they have received this response from hamas, and that they will co ordinate the next steps in these negotiations with the united states. now, the deal being discussed is a three stage plan that was announced by president biden. he described it as an israeli proposal. the first stage of this plan would see the release of hostages being held in gaza, and then pave the way for a permanent ceasefire. now, hamas wants a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire because they fear that once the hostages are out, the israeli military may return to gaza to continue with its military operation against the group. now, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu had previously said that israel would not commit to an end of the war without achieving its goals of destroying hamas s military and governing capabilities in gaza. despite prime minister netanyahu s hardline stance that the war will not end until hamas is fully defeated, us secretary of state antony blinken says the plan has israel s backing and that it is hamas who is holding up any agreement to a plan. secretary blinken is in the region for an all out push for a ceasefire in gaza. a day after talks with mr netanyahu america s top diplomat travelled to jordan tuesday for an emergency humanitarian aid conference. while there he announced more than $400 million in aid for palestinians and called on others to provide more assistance. un secretary general antonio guterres also attended, and backed the truce proposal put forward by the us. his appearance came as he released his annual report on children and armed conflict, where for the first time, israeland hamas were added to the list of offenders responsible for violating children s rights. here s mr guterres discussing the crisis facing children in this war. over 50,000 children required treatment for acute malnutrition. and despite the ocean of needs, at least half of all humanitarian aid missions are denied access, impeded or cancelled due to operational or security reasons. the horror must stop. it is high time for a ceasefire along with the unconditional release of hostages. i welcome the peace initiative recently outlined by president biden and urge all parties to seize this opportunity and come to an agreement. and on all of these developments i spoke to frank lowenstein, a former adviser to us secretary of statejohn kerry, who also previously served as us special envoy for middle east peace. i just want to get the latest here on this back and forth on this ceasefire proposal. hamas and the palestinian islamichhad saying that they had readiness to positively reach a deal. they have submitted a response to mediators. we re hearing some reports that they may have rejected it. what are your thoughts on where this all stands right now? the fundamental issue between israel and hamasjust has not been resolved and that is whether this is going to be a permanent ceasefire which is what hamas wants or a temporary ceasefire which is what the israelis are willing to agree to. in effect, what you have is really both sides just trying to shift blame to other side, rather than undertaking any serious efforts to reach an agreement. i think secretary blinken is doing his best to put the onus on sinwar and hamas but it is just extremely difficult to pressure terrorists hiding in tunnels they don t care what happens at the un, they don t care what the jordanians or the saudis or anybody else says and you heard sinwar saying today that he thinks he has the israelis right where they want them. he is going to sacrifice untold numbers of palestinians for the cause. so i think the us is coming to the point where we are at the end of the line for the ceasefire effort. isn t the point then that they can get into a temporary ceasefire that would then perhaps lead to negotiations for what the end of the war could look like? yeah, that is the premise but the problem is that the israelis have made clear in any number of different ways that they have no intention of moving to phase two. they plan for those negotiations to fail at the end of phase one and to resume the war. that is what they keep o saying, we are going to continue to prosecute the war against hamas until we have destroyed them. for hamas, they are just not willing to agree to any kind of a temporary ceasefire and they are not blind here, they understand what israelis are saying, they understand what is really going on, which is this is a short term ceasefire at best for them and i think yahya sinwar does not want to let benjamin netanyahu and israelis off the hook. what about secretary blinken in all of this because he has continued to express optimism that this deal could reach a ceasefire, whether temporary or permanent down the road is thatjust the secretary putting on a brave face? they are doing the absolute best they can. i have been in the same situation that secretary blinken is in right now in 2014 when we were trying to negotiate a ceasefire between israel and hamas and at the end of the day, if we want it more than they do, that he parties have a number of different ways to avoid reaching an agreement so i think the biden administration has done literally everything they possibly could to try to get the parties to agree. it s just that there is a fundamental disagreement at the core of this that remains unresolved and there is really not much more they can do to change that. the key conversation partner in the war cabinet in israel, benny gantz, has stepped down from his position which complicates things. what about where prime minister netanyahu stands because his far right coalition partners have said they will leave the government and collapse the government indeed, if he were to accept the ceasefire deal, but there is popular pressure at home, specifically from the families of the hostages, to accept it. so it would appear he really is in a lose lose situation in many senses? that is a great question. i think his goal is really to have hamas be blamed for the failure of the ceasefire. i do not think benjamin netanyahu really wants a ceasefire. i think he is sort of boxed in a little bit because the us has presented his own offer back to hamas so they are not able to really walk away from it but at the same time they are saying the kind of things that will make it impossible for hamas to agree, which is that they are going to continue the war, no matter what the agreement says. so i think the way bibi is trying to split the difference here is to say yes and mean no and try to keep this coalition as quite as he can so that he can put the blame on hamas. the bigger issue with benny gantz is what is going t happen in lebanon. benny was really a force of moderation inside of the war cabinet and without him there, i think some of the right wingers, smotrich and ben gvir, their voices will get even louder. israel killed a very senior hezbollah commander. if i was secretary blinken i would be very concerned and not just about the ceasefire in gaza but whether they are looking at another war with lebanon. 0ne one last quick question. but pressure can antony blinken still have at his disposal? we possibly played our last card. they threatened to kick out the hamas leadership. if they did not agree they threatened to get rid of the leadership. there are terrorists hiding in tunnels are prepared today and prepared to sacrifice their own people and they will continue to push as hard as they can. i do not think that will ever say we will not try anymore but i do not think they have any cards left. always great to have you on bbc news. thank you forjoining us again tonight. thanks for having me. the son of the us president is facing up to 25 years in jail, after being found guilty of lying about his drug use in order to purchase a firearm. a federaljury found hunter biden guilty on all three felony charges brought against him forfailing to disclose his drug use when buying a gun in 2018. it s the first criminal prosecution of the child of a sitting us president. hunter biden s lawyers say they are disappointed by the verdict and will pursue legal challenges. while hunter could face 25 years in prison, first time offenders typically do not receive jail time. president biden commented on the verdict in a statement saying: while there has been much testimony about the defendant s abuse of drugs and alcohol, ultimately this case was not just about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden s family. this case was about the illegal choices the defendant made while in the throes of addiction his choice to lie a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun. the bbc s carl nasman was covering the trial in delaware. i spoke to him earlier. while we know about how the jury while we know about how the jury reached this verdict? well, we know it came pretty quickly. after a week long trial, so many different witnesses called, so much evidence introduced here it only took them about three hours of deliberation to reach that unanimous guilty verdict on all three charges here in delaware. we also actually been speaking with one of the jurors themselves, we will keep them anonymous and call them during number 10, anonymous and call them during number10, and anonymous and call them during number 10, and what he told us was despite the last name of the defendant in this case, politics did not play a role inside the deliberation room itself stop here are some of what he told us during that interview. he said iwas never thinking of prezza joe biden, even though mrs biden, jill biden, the first lady, was there in the courtroom stop somehow you block it out of your mind. his dad was not on trial. are displayed all the talk and analysis of how political this trial may be, in terms of the 12 jurors, six political this trial may be, in terms of the i2jurors, six men and six women, to them when they were in that room they tell us, at least one juror says it was not a political discussion, this was all about the facts in the case. 50 discussion, this was all about the facts in the case. so much attention the facts in the case. so much attention paid the facts in the case. so much attention paid to the facts in the case. so much attention paid to this - the facts in the case. so much attention paid to this case. . attention paid to this case. what are some of the reactions to the verdict being? the reaction to the verdict being? the reaction is to the verdict being? the reaction is getting - to the verdict being? tue: reaction is getting pretty political, if you talk about the democrats, for a long time they really didn t want to discuss hunter biden and his criminal issues, his behaviour issues, that was something that was a bit embarrassing. now we re starting here more democratic politicians come out and really react to this, one of them, alexandria 0casio cortez from new york said this verdict really does a lot to disapprove former president donald trump ausmat claims of somehow the justice system is rigged against him, is out to get him, prosecuting him in his own criminal trials. she says, hey, this son of the current sitting president has just been convicted of his own crime, that should go a long way to disproving those claims. in terms of republicans, what some of them are saying, has really been a mixed reaction, but they have been trying to link presentjoe biden to his son for a long time, that rhetoric wrapping up again, a trump backer, a potential vice president amongst them, calling it the biden crime family. that is something we have been hearing a lot now today and over the last two years. we have about over the last two years. we have about 30 over the last two years. we have about 30 seconds left. let us know what happens next. we don t have us know what happens next. - don t have a sentencing date yet. that is expected to come in the next 120 days or so, thatis in the next 120 days or so, that is when will find out exactly what hunter biden s f8 will be. we have heard it could be a 25 year sentence, is likely be much less than that. not the end of hunter biden s legal problems, he has another criminal trial in california, thatis criminal trial in california, that is expected to begin in september. that is expected to begin in september- that is expected to begin in september. let s talk more about this september. let s talk more about this now. with me is shan wu, a former federal prosecutor. always great to have you here. let s jump always great to have you here. let sjump into always great to have you here. let s jump into some of the reactions, i saw you wrote a little bit earlier today, merrick garland strives to run the department ofjustice without fear or favour, the department ofjustice without fear orfavour, but the department ofjustice without fear or favour, but the hunter biden prosecutions exemplify him doing both. what you mean by that? you mean by that? merrick garland is you mean by that? merrick garland is a you mean by that? merrick garland is a very you mean by that? merrick. garland is a very honourable man, he has tremendous fear of the department and him looking partisan, probably like a ptsd from the leftover effect of bill barr having looked very partisan as the attorney general. because of that to me and a lot of prosecutors he allowed this case to go forward in a very unusual circumstance, it very, very rare, interactive never heard of it before, for someone to be convicted of this crime, which is lying on the certification for possession of a gun, if the gun wasn t used in any other crime. when we see that from the original attempt to dispose of the case through something like the virgin voyages no criminal conviction at all. that is the sort of fear but, worried about looking partisan so he allowed this to go forward on its own.- partisan so he allowed this to go forward on its own. hold on, because there go forward on its own. hold on, because there was go forward on its own. hold on, because there was a go forward on its own. hold on, because there was a crime - because there was a crime committed here, correct? yes. hunter biden did fill out a form saying he wasn t using drugs and we heard throughout the course of the testimony that he was still in the throes of addiction and did put down on that form that he wasn t when he bought it. correct, es, when he bought it. correct, yes. that s when he bought it. correct, yes, that s absolutely - when he bought it. correct, yes, that s absolutely a - when he bought it. correct, yes, that s absolutely a it s| yes, that s absolutely a it s just one is very rarely charged if the only issue is that the person lied about being a drug addicts and the gun wasn t used in any other violent crime. 50 in any other violent crime. so what you re saying is you think the doj was pushing this case forward to give the appearance of being unbiased? of being unbiased? yes, i wouldn t of being unbiased? yes, i wouldn t say of being unbiased? yes, i wouldn t say garlett - of being unbiased? yes, i wouldn t say garlett was l wouldn t say garlett was pushing forward himself but he allowed itjust to keep going, it was a very unusual case, the investigation prosecution is lasted almost a half decade for such a minor kind of charge. david wise says that it is not about anything other than a crime and to prove that no one is above the law. crime and to prove that no-one is above the law. is above the law. what you think of that? is above the law. what you think of that? think - is above the law. what you think of that? think it - is above the law. what you l think of that? think it proves that no one is above the law and, as the reporting was just pointing out, it certainly puts a lie to the idea that the doj is a biased place, if anything, most people feel that they have lead to far in the opposite direction to show they are not based on may have allowed an unusual case to go forward, really because hunter biden s last name is biden. and special counsel was as it is not about drug addiction. technically he is right, it is about lying about the drug addiction, but it certainly is about drug addiction. the overwhelming amount of the evidence was all towards proving how much she was using drugs. towards proving how much she was using drugs. right. we even had some clippings was using drugs. right. we even had some clippings of was using drugs. right. we even had some clippings of his - had some clippings of his audiobook that went to that point. still about sentencing. the first offenders real time isn t necessarily usual. what do you think we can expect? t do you think we can expect? i think is likely there will be probation. underthe federal probation. under the federal system probation. underthe federal system in the us is a fairly specific bunch of recommendations that come forward based on scores and an important part of that score for the defendant is the lack of a prior criminal history and the lack of any violence in the offence. it also sounds like number from the tone of what special counsel was saying, it s not like they want a very harsh centres, they prosecuted this in an objective way, let the recommendations be what they will from the probation officer. 50 they will from the probation officer. ., ., , they will from the probation officer. . ., , officer. so that means we could see no jail officer. so that means we could see no jail time, officer. so that means we could see nojailtime, is officer. so that means we could see no jail time, is that - see no jail time, is that correct? see nojailtime, is that correct? see no jailtime, is that correct? . , , see no jailtime, is that correct? i, correct? that s possible, yes. what about correct? that s possible, yes. what about the correct? that s possible, yes. what about the legal - correct? that s possible, yes. what about the legal options| what about the legal options other hunter biden and his team because his defence lawyers said we will pursue any avenues. what would that look like? , ., like? they can appeal the case, certainly. like? they can appeal the case, certainly, there like? they can appeal the case, certainly, there are like? they can appeal the case, certainly, there are a like? they can appeal the case, certainly, there are a couple . certainly, there are a couple one would be the overwhelming amount of evidence that kind of tawdry and embarrassing and the appellate judge tawdry and embarrassing and the appellatejudge might say tawdry and embarrassing and the appellate judge might say you overdid it a little bit, prosecuting, it ended up being more prejudicial than probative, there is also an unusual moment in the closing where the prosecutor reference hunter s family being the audience, including the first lady, and they clearly did that to offset the sympathy, but it s very unusual for a prosecutor, i ve never seen it done, to reference the audience there and that might end up coming back to haunt them a little bit. but the biggest problem for them is there is still another criminal case on the horizon which is the tax case. , ., , case. hunter biden s taxis in california- case. hunter biden s taxis in california. right. case. .. hunter biden s taxis in california. right. so case. .. hunter biden s taxis in california. right. so it- california. right. so it is difficult for california. right. so it is difficult for them - california. right. so it is difficult for them now i california. right. so it is difficult for them now to j california. right. so it is- difficult for them now to know what to do that, they may have taken a hard line if the plea bargain fell apart, we re going to trial, but whatever conviction he gets there, even if he pleads guilty to it, now his score is going to go up in terms of adjusting justin ters lab because he has the other conviction. lab because he has the other conviction- conviction. this story is certainly conviction. this story is certainly not conviction. this story is certainly not over- conviction. this story is certainly not over yet. l conviction. this story is - certainly not over yet. great to have you with us. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let s look at a story making news in the uk. historians in england have found eight perfectly preserved giant stone balls in warwickshire which they believe were catapult missiles in the year 1266. they ve been found by english heritage and its believed the were used to attack kenilworth castle. historian will wyeth has been telling us about them. they would have been terrifying. historic sources talk about how 1 s thinking had set up. you know, historic sources talk about how once the king henry iii had set up the siege at the castle, he told his nine war machines to fire continuously for 172 days. so it would have been kind of cinematic quality siege that these stones are part of, really. the siege on kenilworth castle was one of the longest in english history and happened when the country was in the grip of civil war. the occupants eventually surrendered the castle to the king. the uncovered stone projectiles range in size from 1 kilogram to 105 kilograms or about 2 to 231 pounds. they were found while english heritage was working on a project to promote accessibility at the castle. they were able to link them to the siege because of a previous discovery at the site. you re live with bbc news. ukraine s far east has come under intense russian bombardment over the last few months. but now, the mayor of kharkiv says there have been fewer russian attacks ever since the us allowed ukraine to strike targets across the border using american weapons. it comes as president volodymyr zelensky is in germany to appeal for more support to protect ukrainian cities, hoping to encourage european nations to invest in the country s post war reconstruction. 0ur david mcguinness has more details on mr zelensky s push for recovery efforts in berlin. thousands of delegates from all over the world were in berlin to plan the reconstruction of ukraine after the war. they include governments officials from around 60 countries, as well as business leaders, and that s because the main point of this conference is to get private investment into ukraine. politicians say that state funds are not going to be enough. no matter how many billions of euros and dollars get pumped into ukraine, they need businesses to get involved. and on the one hand, its immediate reconstruction for bond infrastructure, for example, to provide energy, say, or water to people here and now, on the other hand, it s about rebuilding ukraine in the future, when the war finishes. and that s more difficult because no one knows how long this is going to last. after the conference, president zelensky went to the bundestag, the german parliament, to deliver a speech. the mps there applauded, gave him a standing ovation, it was a moving moment. but not all mps attended. mps from the far left and the far right boycotted president zelensky s speech, accusing him of escalating the war. and i think as we see national elections here in germany approaching next year, those voices on the extreme are going to get louder. mainstream germany, though, still very much supports ukraine, and they back german chancellor 0laf scholz s line that peace in europe is only possible if ukraine is fully supported. both mr zelensky and german chancellor 0laf scholz will attend the group of 7 summit of major western powers later this week. boosting support for ukraine is top of the g7 s agenda, and the white house said on tuesday it plans to announce new sanctions during the conference, including steps to use frozen russian assets to benefit ukraine. box also later this week switzerland will host a summit that aims to create a pathway for peace in ukraine although russia won t be in attendance. i spoke earlier to tymofiy mylovanov ukraine s former minister of economic development and trade and i asked him how its possible for ukraine to talk about recovery with the war still raging. it is actually resilience rather than recovery. president zelensky today spoke about the priorities and one of them the first one at the conference was an offence. ed offence is needed both to protect ukrainian civilians but also to protect the economy. and you cannot have proper defence, proper resistance to russia without a viable economy. the second one was about recovery or the energy generation believes that russia has been systematically targeting, so these things are extremely interconnected. it these things are extremely interconnected. interconnected. if we talk about recovery interconnected. if we talk about recovery as - interconnected. if we talk about recovery as a - interconnected. if we talk about recovery as a new | interconnected. if we talk - about recovery as a new mention that you go s energy infrastructure just be me tara rushton attacks, this what is it possible to give us any idea of the scale of money that it would need to rebuild that infrastructure? it would need to rebuild that infrastructure? would need to rebuild that infrastructure? it is a bit of a sensitive infrastructure? it is a bit of a sensitive topic, infrastructure? it is a bit of a sensitive topic, but - infrastructure? it is a bit of a sensitive topic, but there are still numbers, for example there is recent research by a school of economics which shows the numbers in the range of $50 billion. that is what you would need to recover. in terms of the amount or the percentage of generation abilities or capacity that has been affected it is above 50%, that is what observers are saying. the president of malawi has confirmed that vice president saulos chilima has been killed in a plane crash. in a sombre address to the nation, lazarus chakwera said the aircraft which was carrying chilima, and nine others. and nine others had crashed. a search and rescue team has found the aircraft near a hill in the chikangawa forest and they have found it completely destroyed, with no survivors, as all passengers on board were killed on impact. words cannot describe how heartbreaking this is and i can only imagine how much pain and anguish you all must be feeling at this time. for more on the search mission, the bbc s kalkidan yibeltal sent this update. the search mission has been complicated because of the landscape of the area. the aircraft was believed to be missing around the forest and because of bad weather. so, the plane was not found and even today, in the morning, the government came out and they said that because the area was foggy, they were having reduced visibility which was making their efforts difficult. however, there were fears that the plane might ve crashed in the forest and maybe the people on board might have died. we do not know what caused the air crash and investigations we are waiting for the results of the investigations to come out and to tell us but we can understand now that the vice president and his fellow passengers are all killed in this incident. and there is an expectation that there could be a funeral in the coming days. let s turn to some important news around the world. the united nations says a boat carrying 260 migrants sank off yemen s coast on monday, killing at least 49 people. 140 others are still missing. the un s international migration agency said a shortage of operational patrol boats is posing a challenge to ongoing search and rescue operations. most of the 71 survivors required minor medical care, eight were transferred to hospital for treatment. thai police say a fire ripped through pet shops next to a famous bangkok market early tuesday, killing around 1,000 caged animals and damaging more than 100 stalls. authorities believe the blaze was started by an electrical short circuit, adding that no human casualties have been reported. the incident renewed calls to shut the pet zone, which has been criticized for poor living conditions. the chief prosecutor at the international criminal court says his office is urgently investigating allegations of crimes against humanity in the sudanese city of el fasher the capital of north darfur. it comes as the us envoy to sudan has told the bbc the fighting was stoking ethnic tensions, and warned that the city could fall imminently. a us court has found multi national fruit company, chiquita brand international, liable for financing a colombian para military group. chiquita has been ordered to pay over $38 million in damages, following a civil case brought by eight colombian families whose relatives were killed by the united self defence forces of colombia. the company says it intends to appeal the verdict. that is our programme at this hour. thank you for watching bbc news. hello there. it s felt quite pleasant in any strong june sunshine. but generally temperatures have been below par for this time of year and wednesday looks pretty similar to the last few days. some spells of sunshine, variable cloud and further showers mostly across eastern areas. i think there ll be fewer showers around on wednesday because this is a ridge of high pressure, will tend to kill the showers off. the winds will be lighter, but we re still got that blue hue, that cold arctic air hanging around for at least one more day before something milder starts to push in off the atlantic, but with wind and rain. so it s a chilly start to wednesday. temperatures could be in low single digits in some rural spots. these are towns and city values. a little bit of mist and fog where skies have cleared overnight, but it s here where you ll have the best of the sunshine, northern and western areas. a bit of cloud across eastern scotland, eastern england, one 01’ two showers. through the day, it ll be one of sunshine and showers, but the clouds will tend to build most of the showers eastern areas, tending to stay drier towards the west with the best of the sunshine. so it could be up to 17 or 18 degrees in the sunniest spots, but generally cool, ten to 15 or 16 celsius. and then as we move through wednesday night, any showers fade away, lengthy, clear skies. the temperatures will tumble against mist and fog developing. temperatures in rural spots dipping close to freezing in a few places. generally, though, in the towns and cities, we re looking at 4 to eight degrees. now we ll start to see some changes into thursday. we change the wind direction, we lose that cooler air, something a bit milder. but this frontal system tied into low pressure will start to bring wet and windy weather initially into northern ireland, spreading across the irish sea, into western britain and pushing its way eastward. so we start dry with some early sunshine across eastern areas and it should stay dry, i think in eastern england, eastern scotland until after dark. we change the wind direction despite more cloud around, 17 or 18 degrees. and it means thursday night will be milder. so a milder start to friday, but low pressure across the country bring stronger winds, sunshine and showers or longer spells of rain. some of these showers will be heavy and thundery, particularly across southern and western areas. but despite that, in the sunshine, it ll feel a little bit warmer, maybe 19 or 20 degrees. not much change into the weekend, low pressure dominates the scene. it ll be breezy at times. there will be showers or longer spells of rain again, some of them heavy and thundery. but in the sunnier, brighter moments, it llfeela bit warmer, 19 or 20 degrees. and another thing you ll notice, it will feel milder at night. take care. voice-over: this is bbc news. we will have the headlines for you at the top of the hour, which is straight after this programme. hello. welcome to the media show. well, on this week s programme, we ve talked about a couple of subjects which are pretty familiar to us on the media show, but they re no less pressing because of that. one is howjournalists should cover donald trump and of course, he s trying to become president of america again and the other is about the business models of news, because they are under ever more pressure. and when it comes to the business model, we are also looking at al and journalism, because several news organisations have done recent deals with the big tech firms. so that is all 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voice-over: this is bbc news. we will have the headlines for you at the top of the hour, which is straight after this programme. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. of all the world s continents, africa is the one likely to see the greatest transformation in the course of this century. it will likely be home to almost 40% of all humanity by 2100. if, by then, africans have benefited from sustainable development, their global economic power will be enormous. if they haven t, then they could be facing cataclysmic levels of economic and environmental breakdown. my guest is the president of the african development bank, akinwumi adesina, sometimes dubbed africa s optimist in chief . is his positivity realistic or deluded? akinwumi adesina, welcome to hardtalk. it s good to see you, stephen. it s great to have you here. you need the world to believe in a bright african future. how is that going right now? it s going pretty well. if you take a look at the african economic outlook we had from the african development bank, the gdp growth rate, gdp growth rates last year was 3.1%. this year, it s 3.7%. and next year, it s going to be 4.3%. now, why that is important is that that is well above the global average. you still have ten out of the 20 fastest growing economies in the world being in africa. yeah, it s not quite as good as it sounds because you have fast rising populations across africa. yes, but when you have a lot of global shocks like we have, increasing real interest rates, and you have also a lot of geopolitical risks, you have a lot of inflation all around the world, africa still has its head above the water. yeah, i agree with you that in terms of the population growth rate, it s still high. real gdp is still not as high as we want it to be. africa still needs to grow at double digits, though, for probably another 10, 20 years before you see.millions of people taking out of poverty. but don t forget, africa is still the pivotal continent in which it has tremendous amount of opportunities to actually accelerate its development. but as boss of the african development bank, you need to persuade investors both state investors, multilateral institution investors and private investors that africa is a risk worth taking. and right now, we see political instability in many different parts of the continent. we see massive economic problems, perhaps highlighted most by youth unemployment, across the continent of africa. the risks still look enormous to the outsider. well, you know. i mean, you walk across the street, it s a risk. you take a flight, it s a risk. the world is all about risk, the world is about managing risk. yeah, but the investors of the world face choices. they don t have any particular reason to want to invest in africa. let me tell you why they should actually invest in africa, even if i accept some of the risk. first is take a look at what you were saying earlier in terms of population growth rate. you have a continent that is going to have 2.5 billion people by 2050, right? that s going to be really. especially young people you have a77 million of them less than the age of 35. that s the workforce of the world. secondly. yeah, many of them unemployed young people who will be deeply discontented. no, but actually, when you actually turn that demographic advantage into an economic dividend, that s a different thing. but take a look at also the agricultural potential. well, you know, africa has 65% of the uncultivated arable land left to feed the world, 9.5 billion people, by 2050. that s not in asia, that s not in latin america or europe. it s in africa. so what africa does with agriculture will determine the future of food in the world. but also, remember. 0k. we ll get to the detail of some of that proposition later. but let s just stick with risk because, again, this is about money and it s about loans and debts. and right now, i think it s right to say 22 or 23 african nations are struggling with the kind of massive debt that means they re flirting with default. i mean, some of them have defaulted. zambia, for example, defaulted in 2020. it s onlyjust emerging from default now. that represents, for a lender, a clear and obvious form of risk. well, let s take a look at the risk. perception is not reality. data matters. you know, moody s analytics did an assessment a iii year assessment of cumulative risk of losses on infrastructure around the world. guess what they found. they found that risk of loss in africa actual risk of loss in africa was 1.6%. 1.9%. latin america was roughly 12%. north america was 10%. if you take a look at western asia, 4.5%. so that means that africa is not as risky as people say. that said, you do have market risk, you do have political risk, you do have financial risk. and that s what we do as multilateral development banks, is to de risk those investments. but if you take a look at it in terms of risk return analysis, africa is still the place to be. hang on. some of this is jargon. so let s be simple about it. when you say we need to de risk some of the lending to africa, you basically mean you want special treatment, don t you, from institutions like the imf? no. no, it s not special treatment at all. in fact, africa wants no freebies. we have the instruments to de risk. let me give you some. well, it is special treatment, because you want these special drawing rights from the imf. they re literally called special drawing rights . yeah, but i ll tell you, you know, take a look at what we re talking about here. if you take, for example, benin, if benin needed to go to the capital markets to raise money from external investors, right? you still have a risk premium that african countries have, because everybody keeps saying, just like you said, africa risks premium. we have. it costs us three to four times to raise money than any part of the world. but we have partial credit guarantees that allows us to use $195 million to allow them to raise $400 million from external investors. we did the same also for senegal. we did the same for cote d ivoire, with $400 million to raise $530 million. what that does is it allows you to go into the capital markets, allows you to raise money long term and at a lower interest rate. and that is how we de risk investment. that s very, very important. we just did something, by the way, for egypt. we gave them a partial credit guarantee that allowed them to go issue panda bonds, $500 million on the capital markets, for china. it seems to me one of your messages over your quite long tenure now as president of the adb has been that the key multilateral financial institutions the imf, the world bank they are not sufficiently able or willing to understand africa, and they need more african involvement and input. 0veryourtenure, have you seen things change? for example, i m looking at the fact that the imf has created or is in the process of creating a third seat for africa on its board. south africa, for example, is now included in the g20. have you seen things change? well, you know, there s no choice. i mean, there s no doubt that everything has to change even more, right? first and foremost, their globalfinancial architecture is not serving the interests of africa very well. take a look at what happened during covid. while the developed countries actually disbursed, what, fiscal stimulus $19 trillion, 19% of the global gdp africa did what? $83 billion? that s just a minuscule 4.5%. take a look at climate change, right? climate change is devastating africa more than anybody else, any other parts of the world. we didn t cause climate change, only 3% of accumulated emissions, but we suffer $7 to $15 billion of losses every single year. ijust came from nairobi, where we had our annual meetings there devastated by floods. and you have zimbabwe devastated by drought and malawi and zambia with that. now what happens is africa needs, you know, stephen, 30. it gets $30 billion in terms of climate adaptation, but it needs $277 billion. now, let s go further in terms of what has happened also with the issue of debt that you were talking about. 0k, we have, you know, the situation for debt was not just because economics were being mismanaged. no, we still have, you know. people say you have long covid you have long fiscal covid here, in the sense that the economies are still trying to recover from the effects of that covid. but the two instruments that the global financial architecture put up, it s not solving that problem. you have the debt service suspension initiative, which was just simply postpone the evil day. then you have the g20 common framework. so your message is, you know, that, thanks to covid, thanks to climate change, africa s faced profound economic challenges and the international community hasn t really stepped up and responded and understood and appreciated ? if i mayjust say, because you mentioned the issue of the sdr, i ll talk about that. the special drawing rights? special drawing rights. you know, that special drawing rights, i have been a global champion for the need for us to take those special drawing rights of imf and use it better. when they were issued as a contingent facility, $650 billion were issued. africa gets hammered, $33 billion, $4.5 million. so. so i get it. i get it. the message you ve delivered over years is that the international community needs to do more. but i.want to tell you. ..for africa. ineed. i need to switch the focus a little bit because you re a former minister of agriculture in nigeria, you re an african politician. surely it s incumbent upon you to recognise that part of the problem here is desperately poor governance infartoo many countries inside africa. well, you know, there s no doubt about the need anywhere in the world to have improved governance, improved transparency, improved accountability. you know, we are. so i don t see you talking about that. no, no. i do. let s talk about. well, let s talk about it. ..one of the most famous african writers, and sort of the conscience of africa, wole soyinka, the nigerian novelist. he said, too many african states are run by his quote sick old men, dictators, authoritarians who ve been around for decades and decades. corruption is endemic in too many countries in africa. isn t it incumbent upon you to focus some of your effort on getting african nations to change? we actually, within the african development bank, have a programme called sega. you know, it is all about economic governance in africa. it has to do with public financial management. it has to do with debt management. it has to do with reducing illicit capital flows. now, i agree with you today, we have illicit capital flows out of africa, about $89 billion a year. sometimes it s like pouring water into a basket, right? it needs to be able to hold it. but this much, i will say, even as i agree with all of that corruption is not unique to africa. look. nobody s saying that. no, no. nobody s saying that. but what i m interested in, i m interested in your priorities. no, no. hang on. there was an extraordinary report in the financial times last year which revealed that your own african development bank anti corruption fund which was established, at that point, seven years earlier had never been used. there was $55 million there to finance anti corruption efforts, which you simply hadn t tapped into. no, that is absolutely. why? it s not correct. you know, we actually have an independent anti corruption unit that actually sanctions companies that have non competitive behaviour. you set up a fund and you didn t spend the money that was in the fund. will you let me make the point? because you re asking me the question, so let me answer it. the point is, we actually have the fund. but in implementing that fund, guess what we found? we found that there were conflict of interests in the way the fund itself was set up. as president of the bank, i m not going to mingle that with the funds of the bank. and we said, no, we can t do that. we need to find a way in which that is given to a third party. the money is there, the money is going to a third party. but, look, we re not going to mingle money we ve got for those that pay sanctions to ourselves. it just seems extraordinary that for seven years, you had an anti corruption fund, a so called integrity fund, which you didn t spend a single dollarfrom. well, $54 million. we are a $380 million bank. and just so that you know, the african development bank was ranked just last year as the most transparent institution in the world. let s get back to the strategic vision. you ve outlined it to a certain extent with me over the last few minutes. it is undoubtedly true that climate change and energy transition is one of the key pillars of what you want to achieve with this investment in africa. how s it going? it s going pretty well. you know, we now devote 55% of our overall financing in the bank to climate. when i was elected in 2015, we had only 9% going to climate. but climate is the biggest issue. climate adaptation is the biggest issue. now we have three ways in which we re supporting african countries on that. first is we are. we ve made a commitment to double our climate finance to $25 billion by 2030. second, we have a programme that is called african adaptation acceleration program, which is to deploy $25 billion for climate adaptation. by the way, it s the largest climate adaptation programme in the world, together with the global centre on adaptation. and thirdly, nine out of ten, stephen, countries that are most vulnerable to climate change in the world are in africa. 100% of them are in the low income countries that we serve with the african development fund. so what we did was we created a climate action window with $429 million that will rise to about $13 billion to deploy capital to support those countries to be able to, you know for example, let me get practical here provide crop insurance for 20 million farmers and also have a million hectares of land that s been degraded to be improved, and also 20 million people to have climate information. and so that s what we do. now, interestingly, we have one programme that s working very well. it s called africa disaster risk insurance facility. what it does essentially is it pays premiums for countries when they face exogenous shocks like this one. we ve been able to do it for 15 countries. we re scaling that now to $1 billion to be able to insure countries against catastrophic risk events. but it s still not enough. it s still not enough. lots of different mitigation and adaptation efforts that are being financed partly, at least by the adb. i m just interested to know whether you are still willing to finance investment in fossil fuel production, exploration and production, in africa? there are countries from mozambique to angola to zimbabwe which are still major players and, to a certain extent, rely on fossil fuel energy. are you prepared to put money in those projects? we are not doing upstream work on oil or gas. any? no, and we don t fund coal either. however, i will say this. we fund natural gas because natural gas is a very important transition fuel for africa, just like it is in europe, where you are, right? you turn on your cooker and you cook. guess what? with gas. why should that be different from african countries? where we lose today, we have 1.2 billion people that don t have access to clean cooking energy. you know, we lose 300,000 women every year. all they are trying to do is just cook a decent meal. that doesn t make any sense. secondly, it s that we need gas also for fertilisers. the same way in which the west has fertilisers, africa has the right to be able to do that. but this much i will say about gas, so that we don t confuse ourselves. you know, gas reduces the amount of emissions you actually get from relying primarily on just simply other fossil fuels. and secondly, when you use that for clean cooking, it actually saves hundreds of millions of hectares of land. thus far, all the promises made by the rich world the industrialised, developed world to pour billions of dollars into developing economies, particularly in africa, to help them cope with the potentially devastating impacts of climate change, that money hasn t yet been delivered in any serious amount. is it your message that countries in africa need now to be given massive sort of financial recompense for not, for example, deforesting their extraordinary natural assets? i m thinking of a country like democratic republic of congo which has vast forests. yeah. you know, in fact, if you take a look at africa today, that congo basin that you were talking aboutjust now is the second only to amazon in terms of the carbon lungs for the world. and so africa is providing the global public goods for which it s not paid for. you know, basically, you have vast carbon sinks, you have vast forests, you have biodiversity, but africa is nature rich but cash poor. but how do you get people to listen to this message? well, let me tell you what we re doing about it, what we re saying. we re not going to be doing that any more. if you take what got us to all the mess that we re all dealing with globally today, it s because of the way we measure wealth. we measure wealth by saying gross domestic product, value of goods and services that an economy produces. but who really cares? because that doesn t tell you anything about the technology used to do it, the externalities for it, and who internalises the externalities. in the case of africa, we have all this forest, and we say we re going to have to revalue and rebase the gdp of africa based on its natural capital stock. and why is that important? so you basically take these forests and say, this is real wealth. yes. ..and it has to be recognised, and therefore you have to give us the credit that comes with having that asset ? yes, steve. and the thing is, if you take a look at the debt to gdp ratio, which is the measure that we use to determine whether your debt is sustainable or not, if you rebase your gdp based on your natural capital stock, your debt to gdp ratio falls. no, iunderstand. no, no, but i want to. and therefore it s easier for you to borrow money, which is where you and the adb come in. i get all that, but isn t there an element of blackmail to this? because the underlying message seems to be, yes, we are custodians of this vast natural asset call it a carbon sink and the message is, if you don t recognise that and recognise it as part of our asset base, our wealth and loan to us accordingly, we will exploit it, we ll mine it, we ll deforest it. no, no, no, no, no. no. you see, the coming. it s not about exploitation. it s about being wise and valuing yourself properly, just like if you and i go to a commercial bank and you re trying to value your assets. all we are saying is we want african economies to develop going green. but in going green, the proper valuation of the natural capital of africa, it s very, very important, so africa stops being nature rich and cash poor. 0k, we need to move on because we don t have that much time. 0k. i just want to ask you a little bit more about demographics. you earlier were telling me what a great asset it is for africa to have these hundreds of millions of young people. i, at the beginning, talked about africa becoming home to 4 in 10 of all humanity, potentially, by 2100. isn t the truth of this that there is no way africa can support the levels of population growth that we currently see? well, i think africa is doing well with regard to that. three things i want to say. first is, education matters. you know, with 477 million people under the age of 35, i. and it kind of. sometimes i, you know, see migration to mediterranean and all of that, that breaks my heart, of course. but here is. but it s actually increasing. yeah, exactly. but the future of africa s youth is not here in london. it s not in europe. it s not in latin america. it must be in an africa growing very well, equitably and able to create jobs. but what we are doing. ok, i see the potential, but i also see the downsides. not so very long ago, a few years ago, in this studio, nigeria s former president 0basanjo told me that the levels of population growth in africa that he saw at that particular time, i think it was 2017, represented a ticking time bomb. would you use that language today? i wouldn t use that term. you know, i don t disagree with him. ijust think we need to grow much faster to be able to turn that demographic dividend into an economic dividend. and if you allow me just to make that point, that is why, for example, isn t it odd, stephen, that we have a continent with that amount of people, we don t have financial institutions for young people? and that s why the african development bank is rolling out what we call youth entrepreneurship investment banks. they are new financial institutions that will give debt and equity for the businesses of young people, because i firmly believe that we must create youth based wealth in africa. we have to improve their skills, their entrepreneurship, their access to financing, and for them to be able to play a bigger role in our economy. look, the future of the world is going to depend on what happens to the youth of africa. and so we are putting our financing at risk on their behalf. otherwise that s going to be our biggest risk, is not taking care of our youth. that s a very powerful statement you just made about how crucially important africa is to the future of the world. you need outside help to ensure that africa s 21st century is a positive story, not a negative one. where do you think most of that help is going to come from in the future? the economist magazine says that america has essentially lost interest in africa. it s so preoccupied with problems in other parts of the world. does that mean that china, maybe russia as well, are going to be where you at the adb, perhaps, but certainly african nation states look for economic support and cooperation in the future? ijust came back from nairobi, where we had the annual meeting, steve, of the african development bank. the african development bank, which has 81 shareholders, which includes 54 african. it includes the us and china. and uk, by the way, great supporter of us, you know. but my point is, geopolitical tensions are rising. does africa need to make a choice about who it partners with? yeah, but i want to say is that we got an increase in capital of the bank from all our shareholders, $117 billion. that puts our capital at $308 billion. and that came from all over. it came from the united states. it came from uk, it came from italy. it came from everybody else. but when it comes to investments, we need to be able to have investors in africa. yes, you and i talk about the issue of risk and how we manage those risks. and those investors can come from any part of the world. the fact of the matter is africa.doesn t have to really choose. africa has to decide what s in its own interest and be able to attract the kind of investments it needs. take a look at the transformative power of working together. you know, we have, for example, the lobito corridor, which is linking.angola to zambia, which we are doing with the united states. we also have other corridors we are working with multiple partners on. we also have, by the way, stephen, and i hope i can invite you there, what is called the africa investment forum, which we ve been running for the last five years, and we ve been able to mobilise well over $180 billion of investment interest to africa. same africa that you were saying has risk is exactly where people are coming to put their money. if you re not in africa, i wonder where else you ll be putting your money in. that s where the frontier is. clearly, this is a hugely important story. but for now, akinwumi adesina, thank you very much forjoining me on hardtalk. thank you, stephen. thank you. very good to see you. hello there. for most of us a disappointing start to the week. gusts of wind from the north and in excess of 30 miles an hour. temperatures struggled to get into double figures. slightly different further south and west. just look at anglesea. temperatures peaking at around 18- 19 temperatures peaking at around 18 19 degrees. high pressure continuing to nudge in from the west. likely to be a few showers around but hopefully fewer and further between. most frequently across eastern scotland and eastern england. sunny spells and scattered showers into the afternoon, impacting the temperature. again, with a little more shelter and sunshine, 17 or 18 to celsius not out of the question. scattered showers moving through northern ireland and scotland. hopefully they will either through the afternoon. temperatures are still really struggling. as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, this ridge of high pressure will continue to kill off the showers. wednesday likely to be the driest day of the week. make the most of it, more rain to come. a pretty chilly start once again to wednesday morning. single figures across the country. low single figures in rural spots but hopefully the showers should be few and further between. more sunshine out to the west. temperatures of similar value we have seen all week. the wind direction will start to change as we move into thursday. unfortunately, towards the end of the week, the low pressure will take over and we will see further spells of rain. at times heavy but the wind and will play its part a little. temperatures climbing a degree or so but do not expect anything too significant because we have the cloud and rain around. across eastern and southeast england we could see highs of 20 celsius. take care. live from london, this is bbc news. joe biden s son, hunter, is found guilty of lying about his drug use to buy a gun. hamas says it wants a complete halt to war in response to us backed peace plans. scottish political leaders clash over the cost of living and independence in a bbc debate. and, how long could you last without your smartphone? 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the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d-day invasion, they opened up a new western front against the nazis in europe. and that of course was a shock to the germans. the operation overlord, the d-day invasion, it relied on the element of surprise. and the germans really were shocked. they had been occupying france for four years at that point. they the installed a collaborationest regime that they assembled from pro-fascist and pro-nazi forces inside france, so the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazi rule and the collaborationists, but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. they were actually heading into year five of being in charge. they were really settled in, in france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion. hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions of allied troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs of the northwest of france. and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d-day invasion, the allied invasion, started on june 6th. now, on this date, on june 10th, 1944, just four days into the d-day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been, of course, shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it, they now realized the scale of what they were up against and had started scrambling their units from all over france, turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi ss panzer division that had been in the south of franz. that division was ordered to essentially traverse the whole length of the country, head north to where the allies were advancing from the beaches of normandy. and on their way north through france, toward the new allied front lines, the new western front, this panzer division stopped in a village called oradour. pro-nazi french collaborators had told them, they told this panzer unit that the french resistance was active in this town. and they told them that the french resistance in that town had killed a nazi officer. and in response, that panzer unit decided, yes, they were on their way to the north of france to join the new western front and the, you know, the battle for the whole war, to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion, but they decided on their way there, they would stop and do something in oradour. they would destroy that entire village and everyone in it. that panzer unit rounded up every single man, woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up random people who didn t live in the village but were nearby or who had the misfortune to be passing through the village when this nazi unit made this decision. that nazi unit killed every human being in oradour. or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians. a vast majority of them women and children. they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village, and then they tore down the village as best they could. they razed it. oradour. this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war that they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war, as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what oradour looks like literally today, because this morning, the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at oradour to commemorate what they call the martyrdom of that village, to remember what happened in europe, in france, under fascist occupation. now, this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited oradour. actually, ten days before he was first elected president, he went there. he visited the village just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last living survivor of that massacre. i said the nazis killed everyone in the village, at least everyone they could find. the nazis did kill over 600 civilians that day, but there were about half a dozen people from the village who, against all odds, in a miracle managed by hook or by crook to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to oradour in 2017. that last survivor has since died. but today, macron went back to the site, to show this place, to germany s president. now, in 1944, about six months after oradour happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d-day invasion, they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east, for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d-day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis everywhere. not only liberating france, they clearly intend to liberate everywhere the nazis have taken over. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows that his military is on the ropes. it cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. and so about six months after d-day, about six months after oradour, hitler decides he s going to mount a surprise of his own. he decides he s going to mount a huge german counteroffensive in belgium against the allies. the allies are basically closing in on germany s own borders and when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counteroffensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had it in them. everybody thought not everybody, but a lot of people thought the war was going to be over by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 400,000, 500,000 men to mount this new counteroffensive, but they did. that german counteroffensive started in mid-december 1944. it began a six-week-long battle that would be the single deadliest battle of the entire war for the u.s. military. aside from just the brutal toll of that battle, that was the battle of the bulge, that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another german panzer unit much like the one that killed the entire population of that french village. it was an ss panzer unit in belgium. and they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counteroffensive, they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. and the result of it was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war, unarmed american p.o.w.s. and these p.o.w.s, again, they had surrendered. they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans in a field, the americans have no weapons. they have surrendered. they have their hands above their heads. they re p.o.w.s, but the nazis just massacred them in the field, they mowed them down with machine gun fire. and like at that village of oradour, what is almost as unbelievable as what the nazis did there was the fact there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up in that field, who nevertheless lived. american gis who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades, who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this, but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to those men giving testimony about what they saw. about what they survived, about what happened to their platoon mates, to the other men in that battalion. the other p.o.w.s who were massacred by those nazis. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block the american soldiers who survived that massacre from giving testimony about it in congress. he said the american people shouldn t hear it. he said it would be inflammatory. it would inflame the public against the nazis who killed all of those unarmed american p.o.w.s. i find it absolutely insane to think about, but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepentant leftover nazis in germany after the war. they were trying to make the allies and america in particular the bad guys from world war ii and maybe that is understandable when you think about unrepentant nazis who just lost the war, but you would not believe it, the thing that s amazing is not that there were leftover nazis who were trying to do this. the thing you wouldn t believe is they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that p.o.w. massacre and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause celebre in the right wing press at the time. and it helped launch the national career, the rocketship ascendance of arguably the most radical and controversial figure in republican electoral politics in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters, darker than what seems possible for something in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him, while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency, and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics look so much like what you re seeing in the american press today about the fear of a second trump term, you wouldn t believe that it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time, the people who stood up against him mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually, ultimately, it stopped happening. and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons. number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast, rachel maddow presents ultra, now has a season two, and it is out today. episode one is out today. you can get it anywhere you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcasts, if you take out your phone right now, open the camera on your phone, and point it at that weird looking little circular square thing on your screen, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of this all together. episode one is out today. i hope you may want to listen. i have been working really hard on it. i m really proud of it, but i hope you like it. i hope you ll check it out. that s one of the easons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story, i have been working in general on stories about other times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted really radical people with really radical designs to undo the fundamental things that make us who we are as a country who nevertheless get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before. and the reason i have been working on this for the past couple years, the reason i have been working on these projects is because for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast, for me, there is a real urgency to learn these stories now. from when we have contended with terrible challenges before, particularly when we re talking about powerful americans advocating for authoritarianism or just flat out embodying it. particularly when it s about selling factually unhinged conspiratorial lies to the american public and half the public is mortified, mystified by that, but the other half of the public is super energized by it and they not only believe these lies, they kind of become their whole new reason to live. the public gets bifurcated like that into earth one and earth two where some people are based in the reality based community and some people are based in a different place, and that place is emotionally satisfying to them, and radicalizing them, and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant on the american right, but we have lived through it before. and i feel like i m racing to learn these stories about americans who have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff, and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things, but knowing the track record of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian and anti-democratic forces knowing who else has tried it and what s happened to them is helpful for us calibrating our available responses now. and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i have been working on this, and that is why that story is on my mind tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean, one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of oradour today in france is that they took that tour of the ruins of that village today, that preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe, they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large proportions of the vote in the european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries, the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist participaties of world war ii era germany and france, they both have current ties, including financial ties, to vladimir putin and russia. when president biden and president macron of france met in france these past few days for the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden said that he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets in the g-7 countries and use those seized russian assets to provide even more support to ukraine. as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d-day commemoration ceremonies and from those meetings with president macron. he s just back but heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g-sev summit, among other things to rally the other nations to support this new plan, to support ukraine as much as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and, you know, in the american aperture here, what s going on in our politics while president biden is trying to, you know, rally the free world, trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more, here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d-day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies altogether. that we should break up the big western alliance, that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress, a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she s therefore she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her. 46 republicans voted for this thing. a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world, forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d-day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why, the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean, on its face, it seems unlikely they would have such sway. every few days we get a new mugshot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidate s personal lawyer, who has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment, rudy giuliani s mugshot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all of the other maga republican mugshots we have accrued over the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with the probation office in new york ahead of his sentences. people at his rallies not only wear tshirts and fly flags that have his mugshot on them, they started carrying signs and wearing shirts that now say they re proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his supporters who physically attacked congress and injured dozens of police officers, he described them in a speech this weekend as, quote, warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capitol, those two police officers were jeered and booed by republicans in the pennsylvania state legislature. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who survived that attack, they were literally injured fighting for their country, defending our seat of government against a violent attack. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out, they want the attackers freed. and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses. you want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i have been working on all these projects. that s why i ve got this new podcast out and i hope you listen. but it s not just the distant past. in the very recent past when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place, you might remember what preceded that shock election result here in the united states in 2016. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was preceded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote in britain which happened just months before trump s surprise presidential victory here. i asked ben rhodes to please join us here tonight in the wake of what is now, again, another round of what seemed to be surprisingly right wing election results in europe this weekend. was it right in 2016 to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was coming for us in the fall of 2016? as president biden balances his campaign responsibilities right now with back-to-back trips to europe, he just got back from europe, he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend, have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get? president biden clearly sees our connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the future of the world. does what s going on in european politics right now tell us something to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s former deputy national security adviser to president obama, cohost of the pod save the world podcast. really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me ask you for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend, let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they re important for us to pay attention to? and can you just give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections? sure. these were elections for the european parliament. so the european union wide parliament, so the only election that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. the two headlines are the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe, france and germany. in france, the national front party, the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in this election and to build on what you re saying, this is a party that is not only far right, they have ties to russia. they have gotten a $10 million loan from russia in the past decade. in germany, the afd party, which has ties that go back into the kind of neonazi past of germany, they got over 15% of the vote, not a huge total, but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear, in other parts of europe, the center did hold. i think the real concerning factor is in the two most important countries, france and germany, we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 and see some of what was going on in politics in europe as a harbinger for the shock election result we got in the fall of 2016 when trump won? do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pike for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality between the brexit vote, the vote by the uk to leave the european union in 2016 and the trump election was that it was a it was a surprise. people did not think brexit was going to win the campaign and they campaigned on a kind of right wing populist message. the slogan was take back control. they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message, frankly. it kind of foreshadowed what we ended up dealing with in the fall here. i think the warning in this election, and you ask mead a question when i came on to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world, you asked what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this one is that their incumbent parties in germany and france that have defended essentially the status quo, emmanuel macron has been a defender of the european union. olaf scholz has been a defender of the liberal order. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties, these populist insurgents be being the defenderoffs the stat status quo, but you have to tap into people s dissatisfaction with globalization, dissatisfaction with inequality. sense that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say we re the responsible adults here. you have to kind of get down and have a different message for how things are going to change. i think that s the warning sign that joe biden should hear, not enough to run on status quo here. not enough to defend even the things we think are very important. you have to meet people where they are, and people are frustrated. ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama. ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re almost always one of the first people i think of. thank you for being here. thanks, rachel. i can t wait to check out the podcast. i appreciate it. thank you. we have much more ahead here tonight. do stay with us. shop etsy for thoughtful pieces made by real people to bring a little something extra to the ordinary. find items that add wow to walls and make you fall in love with your family room again. when you want one-of-a-kind pieces to refresh your home. etsy has it. sometimes your work shirt needs to be for more than just work. like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, 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( ) ( ) this one will never see the light of day. all right. nitty-gritty here. in the aftermact of the 2020 election, georgia became this kind of benchmark for principled republicans refusing to go along with improper, un-american machinations from president trump. governor brian kemp, brad raffensperger, two very conservative republicans, both nevertheless stood up to personal pressure from trump to overturn president biden s win in georgia. and of course, all that pressure trump brought to bear on georgia republicans and the ways in which those republicans resisted, that formed the basis for fulton county district attorney fani willis filing a huge rico case against trump and 18 of his codefendants in georgia. that s one story of the state of georgia after the 2020 election. republicans standing up, the record of them standing up and what they had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling, damning criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that pro-trump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes, no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is use every tool at their disposal to derail fani willis prosecution of trump. in the latest development in that three republican appointed judges have just put the whole case on hold while they take their time considering whether fani willis should be disqualified from the case. thus guaranteeing that the georgia prosecution will definitely not go forward against trump before the election. but that s only the start. in georgia s most populous county, fulton county, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a pro-trump think tank, she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile, just north of fulton county, republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now, the board there, like other counties in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans, but republicans in cherokee county are no longer okay with that. they wanted a full scale republican takeover, when that was blocked, they comp with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have ever heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta journal constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman, quote, assured the board that the new member is a democrat, even if the local democratic party is unfamiliar with him. i assure you, he s definitely on your team. i know you have never met and i picked him, but trust me. pinky promise. meanwhile, at the state elections board in georgia, republicans there just started writing a new rule that would allow county elections boards to conduct a, quote, reasonable inquiry before they certify any election results. so instead of signing off on election results as county election boards are now required to do by law, they would be empowered instead to investigate those results as they see fit. the journal constitution notes that, quote, the proposed rule doesn t say what a reasonable inquiry would entail before certifying an election. yeah, why would you specify that? you want every election denying republican county elections board member in georgia just making it up as they go along, calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month, one of its republican members was ousted, after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course, the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year, given georgia s swing state status that absolutely could be a deciding factor in how the election is going to go down. what is happening there? what is happening to try to stop what is happening there? one of the reporters on that rolling stone piece joins us next. stay with us. ay with us citi s industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries. and help a partner like the world food programme as they provide more than food to people in need. together, citi and the world food programme empower families across the globe. we re trying to save the planet with nuggets. empower families across the globe. because we need the planet. and we also need nuggets. impossible. your best defense against erosion and cavitieseat. is strong enamel. nothing beats it. i recommend pronamel active shield because it actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a game changer for my patients. it really works. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. love you. have a good day, behave yourself. like she goes to work at three in the afternoon and sometimes gets off at midnight. she works a lot, a whole lot. we don t get to eat in the early morning. we just wait till we get to the school. so, yeah. right now here in america, millions of kids like victoria and andre live with hunger, and the need to help them has never been greater. when you join your friends, neighbors and me to support no kid hungry, you ll help hungry kids get the food they need. if we want to take care of our children, then we have to feed them. your gift of just $0.63 a day, only $19 a month at helpnokidhungry.org right now will help provide healthy meals and hope. we want our children to grow and thrive and to just not have to worry and face themselves with the struggles that we endure. nobody wants that for their children. like if these programs didn t exist me and aj, we wouldn t probably get lunch at all. please call or go online right now with your gift of just $19 a month. and when you use your credit card, you ll receive this limited edition t-shirt to show you re part of the team that s helping feed kids and change lives. if you re coming in hungry, there s no way you can listen to me teach, do this activity, work with this group. so starting their day with breakfast and ending their day with this big, beautiful snack is pretty incredible. whether kids are learning at school or at home, your support will ensure they get the healthy meals they need to thrive. because when you help feed kids, you feed their hopes, their dreams, and futures. kids need you now more than ever. so please call this number right now to join me in helping hungry kids or go online to helpnokidhungry.org and help feed hungry kids today. . the ultimate authority is the voter. the secretary of state was re-elected by the voters of the state by a larger margin than any other excuse me. order. order. by a larger margin than any other state-wide office. the voters order. have demonstrated their faith and therefore i do not believe that at present, we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. georgia s board of elections gathered to discuss larging an investigation into georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who had the chimerty to say no when donald trump insisted he flip the results of the election. the lone democrat spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation. she was loudly shouted down. in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory, inside trump s plan to rig 2024, rolling stone reports this. quote, the former president and his supporters have been making concrete step by step progress in shaping electoral processes to his benefit. across the state, maga die hards are devoting considerable resources to purging voting rolls, intimidating election officials, employing dirty tricks and ousting appointees who haven t been initiated into the cult of trump. it s the state where the republican party has total control over the levers of power. trump loving elements of the georgia gop have wielded that advantage in a crusade to turn election conspiracy theories into policies. it s an alarmingly anti-democratic experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joining us now is adam ronsly, the reporter co-by-lines on the sprawling piece. thank you for being here. thanks for having me. so what are some of the steps that trump and his allies have taken to change the electoral process in georgia? so one of the most alarming ones that a source who has discussed this issue with trump told us, a republican attorney, is they re planning to challenge the election result regardless of the result. you know, we think of the threat to elections from trump s behavior in 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. you know, at the current state of polling, trump is ahead in georgia, if you believe the polling, but what republican attorney who discussed this with trump told us is that, quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed, air quotes around cheating. and the plan is to challenge the result regardless of the outcome. and the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delegitimization of the election process. it s heads, i win, tails you lose. and i think you had mentioned this a little bit in your intro, is that one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary. because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute, which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those kinds of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. essentially you re taking someone who is, you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and, you know, assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think, importantly, that georgia s a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played the sound of one democratic member of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting raffensperger. is this fight joint where there is pushback against what they re doing or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit? you know, they definitely have quite a built-in advantage. and i think that s why georgia relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the soul of the republican party. particularly when it comes to their faith in free and fair elections. and yeah, even folks like brian kemp, who was an absolute obstacle to trump s attempt to, you know, illegally overturn the election in georgia, brian kemp signed sb-202, a law that allows for a range of, you know, sort of procedural chicanery. joe biden called it jim crow in the 21st century. you know, even folks who have proven themselves to be obstacles to some of the more overt aspects of it sometimes will just go along to get along. and so they definitely do have an advantage. and they are running the table in certain ways, but you do see folks like you mentioned earlier, like ed lindsay, whose resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that, you still do have these kind of principled republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but as you saw with the case of ed, you know, he had to resign under a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but from the grassroots of the party who believe in a lot of election conspiracies. yeah, the bare fact that a presidential candidate is personally lobbying to remove individual state elections board members ought to be on the front page of every paper of the country. been reported by adam, reporter at rolling stone. adam, the by-line reporters on the piece, georgia is our laboratory, thank you for helping us understand this. love to have you back. thanks so much for having me, rachel. i appreciate it. we ll be right back. stay with us. time stops. 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