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sort of thing where the justice department believes donald trump himself was trying to advance a crime potentially obstruct their federal investigation, so it really isn't make or break day in the justice department does not know or they may know now, but they didn't know going into this exactly what corcoran would say. it's also quite an unusual day in that this doesn't happen very often. there have been many witnesses called to this grand jury before. but it's very, very unusual to have a defense attorney for the former president or anyone being forced to testify again to a federal graduate and answer questions. kate that's a great point. it's good to see you, caitlin. thank you. joining me now for more on this is cnn legal analyst norm eisen, who served as counsel to house democrats in the first trump impeachment. thanks for being here. what do you think? the corcoran testimony will mean can mean could mean for donald trump. um kay. i think it means accelerating peril in the mara