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And i still take your point, it hasn't been anything close to what it would normally be, whether barack obama were president or bill clinton or donald trump. but let me ask you what the political case is, the democrats can take to the country knowing full well that that isn't always a top-of-mind issue for voters? >> i will just say really quick, if mccain was still alive and was president, lindsey graham and john mccain would be on the ground in hong kong waving the flags. the one tweet on that, fair correction. >> i'm with you. >> politically, i agree. this is a beltway issue. this is an iss...

Gun control. i mean, there's -- a question how effective it will be in terms of just campaigning on an issue as opposed to campaigning to get enthusiasm to back a candidate at the polls, is there not? >> yeah, absolutely. two things about that, there are going to be a number of red, democratic senators in particular in red states up for reelection in 2014, and how does this group handle that? does this group target them? are those votes in the senate, have to get 60 in order to overcome a filibuster. those will be critical to anything getting through the senate. does this group target them? we...

Wikileaks. >> we're not commenting on the current situation. the cia put out a statement regarding lgt current situati-- situation, i would refer you to that. >> that is what the white house will not discuss. we know the circles of activities in trump's world with russia are wielding information. suspicious behavior isn't always a could crime. the senate intelligence committee is seek top aides' testimony on russia, paul manafort, michael flynn and former policy adviser carter page. that's a congressional inquiry. executive branch inquiries include manafort associate with linking to russian in...