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Debate, based on what you saw tonight, what would you tell him to do differently? >> oh, i don't know. i think that the president has to keep doing what he's doing. i think he has to be truthful about why he's made the choices for us that he has made. i think he has to keep talking about the fact that we're moving forward and not back. 30 months in a row of positive job growth. and i think he has to continue to press governor romney on the fact that he's not putting forth any of the specifics about how he would do these various things he's promised. he went down the list of the things he would...

Calculations. it's not calculus. >> romney has seven studies show that he doesn't raise taxes. obama has four studies that show romney does raise taxes. the devil is in the details. yes, it will be a 20% tax cut bun then you remove various itemized deductions and other deductions so he says it will be revenue-neutral. obama says it's not going to be revenue-neutral. it depends on the implementation of it. this happens all the time. it's not a -- >> isn't romney just telling people the sort of good side and not the bad side? if he won't specify what he is going to cut out, which he wouldn't, he...

15 million more people having fallen into poverty and needing food stamps. by the way, i'm going to get that pipeline from canada if i have to build it myself. >> only one romney can show up on that stage tomorrow night. and i bet president obama will make mr. romney choose which one. joining me now is democratic strategist tadd devine, senior adviser for kerry and gore campaigns and retired captain wes moore, he's the author of the book "the other wes moore." thank you for being here. >> thanks. >> tad, let me start with you. for the debate, isn't romney caught between what his base expects a...

Frankly, five steps isn't going to cut it, number one. number two, some of the steps that we know about are going to be horribly destructive to the economy up to and including the tax cuts that they're talking about. that fits into the ministry of truth kind of approach to things. but lastly, what they are doing, and you just mentioned a fact. shame on you. we're not going to let that dictate the campaign, after all. and this is just classic political demagoguery when they say if you don't like what you see in the mirror, break the mirror. that's what they're doing now by trying to give a part...

The economy? no, he prioritized universal health care, a very important issue, but frankly not the number one issue. and it still stands today. >> i want to take just a quick look at data on this because the fact is that since 1948, just the reality, since 1948, income grows for everybody except the top 5% at a much higher rate when a democrat is president, period. like it's just -- you know, i mean, i'm not quite sure what to do with that except to say there's the facts when a democrat is president, if you are in the 95%, you are likely to see income growth. and i don't know how to square tha...