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More hawkish positions. this has been a fundamental question throughout the trump administration and that is to what extent is he going to be a traditional republican and what extent is he going to be an isolationist. trump's impulses on this are clear. he wanted to draw down from afghanistan. he wanted to get out of certain wars. you saw that with syria as well. the president wanted to bring down troops there. even though president trump criticized president obama for what trump said at the time was withdrawing from iraq too soon. the question of the hour is how fundamental is this split with...

Politico and msnbc contributor. so, natasha, mattis expanding on that point in an essay in the wall street journal this week, writing nations with allies thrive and those without them wither. alone, america cannot protect our people and our economy. that the time, we can see storm clouds gathering. what kind of warning is this to you? >> this is always something that mattis has emphasized. that's why it was particularly surprising when the president chose him in the first place to be the secretary of defense. he has always been very dedicated to maintaining these alliances and sees them as ver...

Is will troops be leaving syria? how long will troops be in afghanistan where ice sis becoming a threat there now as well. >> i think the president has to be very careful here about just going ahead and promising that somehow we will pull back all troops from the region without any assurances that ultimately this problem will be dealt with. he says let others deal with the problem, that we've got -- we're 7,000 miles away. but that has always been a false promise by isolationists. they use that argument in the 1930s that said because of our oceans we didn't have to worry about nazi germany. an...

Seen before. and pursuing that confrontation with the democratic house. and part of this, you know, brian, is political. donald trump is the last person who would say he is a historian. but one way presidents have made the other party seem unpalatable is to take a few people within the party and identify them with the rest of the party. you remember 1940, the republican candidate was a moderate named wendell wilkie. but if you listened to franklin roosevelt you'd think the candidates were three congressmen named martin, barton and fish, who were extreme isolationists and very reactionary. so i...

Articulated, you know, less of this and less isolationists and all of the trumpian characteristi characteristics. there would have been a local remnant of people saying we are not buying into this. paul ryan must be looking around saying what did i get from all the appeasement? i got the tax cuts but going forward, i got nothing. >> the president really picked off from the democrats. >> well, it is interesting being in wisconsin, none of the c candidates are making the mistakes of not coming here. as i came down to the studio, there is police on every path, elizabeth warren is here and the pre...