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To exactly know where russian forces are and i imagine for you and everybody else that, must be one of the difficult things is not knowing exactly where the invading army is. and where they may strike next. >> well, yes. yes. there is, you know, the feeling, the constant fear. like it is somewhere in my stomach somewhere, you know, in my heart. and it's tough. yeah. and people are tired to be afraid. like every day, every night. you expect it to begin here. and it didn't begin yet. good morning. thank you. but, yeah. . constant fear. we are living in constant fear personally and the news from ...

Believe the 2020 election was stolen from trump. 71% of republicans polled said that they believe that the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump. how on earth, tammy, can we -- well, let me rephrase the question. will we get through the 2024 presidential election when we've got more than an overwhelming majority of the opposing party that is going to go into that election thinking that the previous one was stolen and that the one that they're participating in 20 this is already stolen? >> this is absolutely setting the playbook for the future. it didn't begin in 2020. i would argue that i...

Make. i respect bill bennett allot. you were hearing from here. he makes it and some republicans do that it was just a phone call. it was a lot more than a phone call. it was a coordinateed campaign. what you've heard from a number of colonel vindman and others, it was a coordinated campaign by people outside the state department to put pressure on ukraine to do certain things to investigate the democrats from what they did in 2016 to investigate biden that preceded the phone call on july 25th and followed the phone call after july 25th. and i think that's one of the things that will be so int...

He thinks are improper. i think in answer to jonathan turley's question, what is this investigation about, this is a counterintelligence investigation. it began last july looking at russian efforts to manipulate the presidential election in the united states. it didn't begin as an investigation of donald trump. and it isn't that. but it's a very serious issue. why donald trump has sought to obstruct -- obstruct is the wrong word. trivialize it, dismiss it, call it a hoax is the big mystery here. but it's a counterintelligence investigation. it will take a long time. an we'll see whether it end...

Infrastructure systems aren't. we're lucky in this case, it appears as though the vermont public utilities organizations and commissions took the right steps. they caught this early. the malware is there. they can take care of it. but i think this places a larger point. we have to understand that we are in the midst of a political warfare campaign and information warfare campaign, orchestrated out of moscow. it didn't begin with the election cycle and will not end with donald trump's inauguration. >> doesn't this news about this utility company take all of the political conversations that we h...