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Ukraine was trying to get reforms put in place, the court that was going to decide corruption issues was not set until september 5th. i want you to think about this for a moment, too. they needed a high court of corruption for corruption. think about that for a moment. now, that's good that they recognized it, but remember when i said the other day you don't wave a magic wand and now ukraine doesn't have a corruption problem? the high court of corruption, which they have to have because there's not just past corruption. they're concerned about ongoing corruption issues, and you could put all o...

Ambassador marie yavonovitch who was smeared and fired on baseless allegations? and he just -- he lost it. >> john, you and i have covered white houses over the years. to remove a long-time state department correspondent from a pool on a trip like this, that truly is an extraordinary measure of retaliation on the part of the state department. >> and they've been asked and haven't explained it, so we should give them their due and we'd like to see the explanation. since they haven't explained it, it seems like a petty retaliation that is beyond the pale but not if you look at the way this admin...

Look, the interview between mary louise kelly and mike pompeo was tense. she asked a bunch of questions about iran as he wanted to talk about it, then she asked about ukraine. he ended the interview after a few questions. then he got mad at her. that happens in this town. he keeps dragging this out. she described the conversation because apparently there was no agreement it was off the record, and he issued a statement on state department letterhead accusing her of lying and berating her, saying the media has gone crazy, words to that effect. now the state department, apparently punitively, is...

The facts are important, though, because facts have legal ramifications. legal ramifications impact the decisions you make, so i don't take facts lightly, and i certainly don't take the constitutional mandates lightly, and we can't. the facts we demonstrated yesterday and briefly on saturday demonstrate that there was, in fact, a proper governmental interest in the questions that the president asked and the issues that the president raised on that phone call. a phone call -- now, let's, again, put your shoes in the -- put your feet in the shoes of the president -- put yourself in the president...

Ukraine? and if they get up there and say, no, everything is great now, hallelujah. but i suspect they're going to say we're working really hard on it, and i believe them. but this idea that it was just vanished ask nnd now we're backo everything's fine, it's absurd. mr. morrison testified that while the developments were taking place, the vice president also met with president zelensky in warsaw. that was the meeting of september 1st. the one, by the way, where the vice president's office said in response to this "new york times," nobody told him about aid being held or linked to investigatio...