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was listening to the great interesting conversation with kelly about it being difficult to prove -- but this stench think, you know, you remember there used to be a day when that kind of stuff just lead to shame in and of itself. and certainly kept you out of political life later. but that's not there anymore either. whether you can prove or not prove quid pro quo, that absence of revolving door that you described is compelling. >> well, the shame issue here, i, think is compelling, ali, because obviously, the republicans, particularly trump partisans, are aware that it is shameful t...

and certainly kept you out of political life later. but that's not there anymore either. whether you can prove or not prove quid pro quo, that absence of revolving door that you described is compelling. >> well, the shame issue here, i think, is compelling, ali, because obviously, the republicans, particularly trump partisans, are aware that it is shameful to use government service or family connection to government service, to make private gain for yourself, and have private business game. because they use this as a way to try to attack president biden's family, for example, all the...

>> and congressman dent, the republican for pennsylvania, to me the story of the week is doug mas t mastriano, a known election steal backer. he's talked about how he plans to handle the 2024 election. let's watch. >> as governor, i get to appointment the secretary of state, and i have a voting reform minded individual who's been traveling the nation in those voting reform extremely well. that individual has agreed to be my secretary of state. i'm going to have a team around that individual that's really good on voting reform. as governor i get to decertify any or all machines in the states. i...