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Biden's exclusive interview with cnn. >> i don't think i'm a bully at all. i just don't like being taken advantage of. >> but that is exactly what biden says the president is. and a fresh round of name calling on the campaign trail. >> the idea that i'd be intimidated by donald trump? he is the bully that i knew my whole life. he is the bully that i've always stood up to. he is the bully used to make fun when i was a kid and i'd stutter and i smacked him in the mouth. but this is not -- i think the american people want a president who has some dignity, who has a value set, who is actually tryi...

Top five city mayors. that's a different background than joe biden's. >> can you guarantee me if you make the debate stage we're going to see you in detroit for the cnn debate? >> say that again. >> can you guarantee that you're going to stick this through, at least to the cnn debate? >> yeah, absolutely, i'll be there, i promise. >> all right. just double checking. great to see you, governor. thank you for being here. see you on the trail. >> you bet. >> outfront for us next, jeanne moos on ivanka trump. ivanka trump is showing up in some very unlikely places, like with the beatles. 1 grar. i...

Executive order to fix this. the problem is it's not clear that that is even going to work, whether that will pass muster with the supreme court. that's already said, the administration needs to go back to the drawing board on the rationale for this. and so at the moment the administration is simply trying to figure out a legal path forward. and it all may not end up with the citizenship question being on the census at all. but at the end of the day president trump gets to tell his base he did not give up on this very important fight for him. >> win or lose, or draw, the fight is exactly what ...

Issue. >> are you confused? you should be. but this is important, because the reason and motivation behind adding the question into the census is everything. our partisan pliks driving the fight or maybe door number three? the president also pointing to history. >> if you look at the history of our country, it's almost always been asked. >> now, it has been asked. but not of everyone. and most of the -- not of everyone most of the time. and selmer not since 1950. but regardless, the scramble and confusion is because the president is demanding his department of justice find a legal path to carr...

If people don't respond they are missed in the kens us and don't get the accurate population count. the bureau has all other kinds of surveys to find out other information. the unemployment statistics it's through a sample survey on a monthly basis. if we want to know characteristics of the population like citizenship, documented status, there are whiches of doing that without complicating the census. because you want the census to be a as simple as possible so that people respond and we get an accurate head count. >> dale, do you see the point that just the fight for the president is good for...