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Now. it's been a problem for decades. as the governor of arizona herself indicated, what did george bush do during his eight years? did he do anything to solve this problem? >> he tried. >> he tried, karen, and he got no support. >> again, point being, this has been a problem for a very long time. i think just trying to pin this specifically and squarely on barack obama when, pat, other times you say he's taking on too much is a little, you know, out of bounds. the second thing -- >> let me respond to that. >> let me respond to the other thing you said, pat. it's my understanding that actually...