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And if i was a citizen of arizona or if i were visiting in arizona, the only papers i would intend to show is the constitution of the united states that says that i have rights as a citizen and that i am not a second-class citizen in this country. >> that was senator menendez yesterday. pat? >> we do respect the senator doesn't know what he's talking about. the only way there's reasonable suspicion someone is an illegal alien if they're stopped during a legal procedure with a police officer. in other words, if you're stopped, you've gone through a traffic light and then the officer comes up to...

Duty in enforcing the immigration laws of the united states. in arizona today, there are 500,000 illegal aliens, which is equal to the entire army of the united states and, andrea, tell me what the president has done to remove them from the united states? >> janet napolitano was here yesterday and said that's absolutely not true. that, in fact, they have cut back on immigration, illegal immigration, and that they have taken a stance and beefed eed enforcement there. >> 70% of arizonans support this law. they are the people who are paying the price for this enormous army of illegal aliens in th...

Decisions in arizona. >> why not press the federal government to do its job rather than passing laws that may be unconstitutional? >> look, barack obama, hillary clinton, george bush and john mccain supported amnesty. the country said no. therefore the president does not have an option. he's got an obligation to enforce the laws. if the laws were being enforced by washington, you would not have this law in arizona. >> karen, you get the last word. >> again, i think secretary napolitano made it clear they are actually enforcing laws. again, pat, this is not about isolating arizona. this is abou...

Problem in the united states is the failure of the central government of the united states to do its duty. look, the border patrol, i.c.e., immigrations custom enforcement, homeland security, they're the ones that should be dealing with this problem. they're trained for it. they're not doing it. that's why you've got this crisis in the united states of america. >> let's look at what marco rubio has to say about it. here's one who's a hero of the republican and the tea party movement. running against charlie crist. this was his comment about it. >> right. >> immigration policy is one of the thi...

Now. it's been a problem for decades. as the governor of arizona herself indicated, what did george bush do during his eight years? did he do anything to solve this problem? >> he tried. >> he tried, karen, and he got no support. >> again, point being, this has been a problem for a very long time. i think just trying to pin this specifically and squarely on barack obama when, pat, other times you say he's taking on too much is a little, you know, out of bounds. the second thing -- >> let me respond to that. >> let me respond to the other thing you said, pat. it's my understanding that actually...