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Presidency is that i have mixed motives, i think rick makes the point that, look, i was concerned about corruption, i was concerned about burden sharing, i was concerned about biden, i'm allowed to do this as president. you can't impeach me for it. now, the problem with that defense is that he doesn't acknowledge the facts that are clear on the ground, which was he was withholding the aid and withholding the meeting because at least, in part, that he wanted dirt on biden and that's an abuse of power and that's what congress has to take action on. >> the part that we can't explain is how sondla...

President whose attention strays from issue to issue, suddenly telling, you know, this obscure department in the government, give this guy a chance. >> you're not being very charitable to mr. fisher. let me just say, he's trying to get business and he wants this done. >> i'm not saying he did anything illegal. i'm just saying, this is the new swamp. >> but my only point is, he's not a grifter, he's just trying to get business, but boy, he's a big republican donor. i can't imagine the scandal if president obama was pushing for some big chicago contractor to get some job like that. >> big donor,...

Mnuchin and devos and pued puzder are all very wealthy people. they say they need more time and democrats are applying pressure saying the nominees are not receiving the proper scrutiny. that is holding it pup in the case of devos, real political problems. the teachers unions, as a trump aide said to me yesterday, see her as an existential threat to them and that is going to complicate their hearings. >> reverend al, jeff sessions' nomination do you think the hearings are being held the right way? >> i was at the hearing yesterday and sat with other civil rights leaders. other than one, i didn...

They're not just showing up because it's a cool trend to be at these rallies. which in some ways didn't translate on the democratic -- >> early on, first time i ran for office said, get $1,000 contributor which i wasn't getting, and i said, nobody will give me money. don't worry about it pup get the guy to get you $25. >> right. >> he'll go to the gates of hell with you. >> ask bernie sanders about that. >> right, and let me say it again. people are confused about michigan and wisconsin. bernie won michigan and wisconsin. we saw this back in march. well, she was -- >> a shock. >> she was ahead...

This is his wheelhouse. he needs to come out and say specifically what he will do for small businesses in america and for people trying to make it by. i think you'll hear him really needle jeb bush. you'll hear attacks at carson but he'll go after jeb bush. >> mark mckinnon what your looking for? >> the way to go after trump, particularly if i was jeb would be to go with humor. just try to needle him back in a way with light and levity. >> mr. bush has to show what he promised when he first ran. he hasn't done the fun part. interesting -- >> i don't think he does. >> this is why i'm going into...