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Through the facts here as we know it. the "wall street journal," kevin, has taken a look at the amount of tax revenue that has come in to the state of massachusetts as a result of let's just call it romneycare. this year alone, taken in additional tax revenue every year, this year over $20 million. mitt romney has said he never raised taxes as governor. can he still say that? >> whether he can or not, i don't think addresses the issue of what obamacare is essentially going to be. >> rick: can he get up in front of people and voters and say, i did not raise taxes as governor of massachusetts wh...

Romneycare, call it romneycare. the fact is there's going to be a very tough time politically to deal with the implications of this if is -- you get a ruling in june. more or less we expect you to come to the end of the race. then you have the campaign debates then you say from june to october, and then it's over. this could be a. where one issue come natures over everybody else. who is that good for? >> just like the financial cries, i wouldn't have expected the party who did the pass the bailout through congress to be one that benefited from bailout anger, which is what happened in

Romney. so we are confident that it will be upheld. >> they are trying to do two things here. first, say, look, this is a conservative idea. it is not our idea. and in the absence of a tax, while i don't think it's going to work, it is an argument and it's a message to the supreme court that there is broader support for this than the polls would suggest. >> gregg: why doesn't that work, doug? >> it -- it doesn't work because the american people, as pat points out don't want obamacare. they don't romneycare and the republicans are want offering a credible alternative ---- how does the presump...