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Don't like when someone goes around standing up for women. i don't think that we have to listen to any of these cynics and i think it's also really telling that the hate for hamilton didn't start until it left the realm of broadway and became something that all of us could enjoy and take part in once it was elitist entertainment anymore they had no time for it. >> ben: once it wasn't being performed for people who just voted for obama and started to be performed for people who might have voted for someone else in 2016, it became very problematic in the lessons that they would take away from it...

Apart? >> no. i mean i was there in 1996 when the taliban took over initially, and, you know, it was in gilabad and the taliban delegation was across the breakfast room glaring at it happened very quickly. and so the taliban didn't fight their way across afghanistan, except for a few locations. it was all negotiated and the afghan soldiers who weren't supplied with ammunition, food or salaries, because all of that stuff was getting stolen by commanders, they were told by the taliban, if you give up, we won't kill you. of course they did. it makes sense. i didn't surprise me at all. once they w...

Negotiating the handover of jalalabad and it happened very quickly. so they didn't fight their way across afghanistan except for a few locations. it was all negotiated and the afghan soldiers who weren't supplied with ammunition or even food or salaries because all that stuff was getting stolen by commanders, they were told by the taliban, look, if you give up, we won't kill you. so of course they did. it totally makes sense. so, no, it didn't surprise me at all. and once they were outside kabul, there was rioting and looting and taliban went into keep order. people say they took kabul. it was...

It makes sense. i didn't surprise me at all. once they were outside kabul, there was rioting and looting and the taliban went in to keep order. people said they took kabul. it wasn't being defended. they didn't really take it in that sense. >> it is remarkable when you look at -- over the years going to kabul, you would see mansions popping up and you would ask about who owned this and it's some afghan general. the amount of corruption is something that i don't think was -- there was a lot of reporting done on it. but it certainly contributes, as you said, to a lack of desire to fight for a go...

Totally different cultures are really not good. so we've got to strengthen the home base, make prudent actions abroad, and terminate them as soon as possible. look, this was not a war that was fought. it wasn't being fought. we had firepower to kill taliban. but our friends, our allies gave up. they didn't have a rationale. their only rationale was america there, and they were fighting. but when push comes to shove, they are more aligned with the taliban, or at least they're not ready to die for them. so obviously biden had to get out. are we going to stay another 20 years? joe biden will be a...