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Very exciting to be here. But im trying to understand what has happened to this land of yours, because when you arrived here, this was an intensively farmed land, wasnt it . It was. My husband, charlie, inherited it from his grandparents when he was in his early 20s, and this was back in the 1980s. And every inch of the land was ploughed, it was producing arable crops and dairy. And we fully expected to be farmers for the rest of our lives. Mm. 17 years on, we were £1. 5 million in debt, tearing our hair out and realised that, you know, this is very marginal land. Were walking on 320 metres o...

ah, well, it's actually still, for me, very exciting to be here. but i'm trying to understand what has happened to this land of yours, because when you arrived here, this was an intensively farmed land, wasn't it? it was. my husband, charlie, inherited it from his grandparents when he was in his early 20s, and this was back in the 1980s. and every inch of the land was ploughed, it was producing arable crops and dairy. and we fully expected to be farmers for the rest of our lives. mm. 17 years on, we were £1.5 million in debt, tearing our hair out, and realised that, you know, this i...

So we have to really look at this really seriously. the great american biologist, e0 wilson, said that if we are going to support biodiversity, and this is what our own species depends on, then we have to devote 50% of terrestrial landmass to nature. so we've got to take this really seriously. right. without wishing to be personal in any way, you come at this as somebody with the privilege of owning a very substantial chunk of land, coming from a particular background, which, let us be honest, is one of comfort and privilege. do you think there is anything indulgent about what you and your hus...