>> cat: absolutely. i think there's some invested interest from plastic surgeons. they make different of money from the surgical procedures and that of course the pharmaceutical companies are funding research into gender-affirming care for instance, there's jack turpin who is one of the most prominent researchers into gender-affirming care, he is being funded by arma pharmaceuticals. they are the manufacturers of a drug that is one of the common puberty blockers prescribed. >> laura: can't, this story gets more twisted every time we talk to you about it and you are providing invaluable insight...