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James fallow's new article has the headline, serving trump revealed who john kelly always was. tell us what you think we have learned with his white house service about john kelly. >> i guess it sounds a little harsh when it's distilled to that one sentence. i was trying to say there are people who have worked for donald trump put in difficult circumstances. for example, h.r. mcmaster who found himself in an impossible situation as a national security adviser. on the other hand, what you have eloquently experienced over the months, i think something we learned about john kelly is something we ...

Well-known saying about history. history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes. james fallow has written a piece saying in some respects, while it's too easy to talk about watergate, in some respects what we're dealing with is far more significant than a third-rate burglary intended to get information to embarrass enemies, political enemies. in this case we have something that seems to be spiraling out of conol so much more quickly than did watergate or anything else of its kind. where are we right now? no hyperbole, no nothing, not being hyperbolic, but where are we right now? >> joe, i w...

Rigged, isn't the down-ballot races, especially the close ones, isn't it those races that could really feel the ramifications of that? >> i think they do think that. whether they don't show because they think it's rigged or more likely because they think it's over, they're -- you know, this hurts down-ballot -- it hurts down-ballot candidates. and it's also a concern on the democratic side, although you hear on the democratic side, growing enthusiasm about the fact that there's going to be a decent turnout. but the fear is that if voters keep getting told that this thing is going to be a blowo...

James fallow, himself a veteran of the carter administration. david, these republican members who are worried about losing their seats, worried about what to do with trump, they've had a year and a half to try to come up with a plan. isn't it a little late to start panicking now? >> well, with i think that his position has eroded, and so, particularly in these swing districts and swing states, battleground states, they're in this awkward position of having to choose between their base and swing voters. so the swing voters want to see themselves separate themselves out from donald trump. but th...

Saying he can't defend him, if he were to outwardly criticize trump, he could anger those same house conservatives he needs to be re-elected speaker. anderson? >> manu raju, thanks. >> thank you. >> well, for a party that used to be known for falling in line, this is more than just a departure. could be a real threat. at the very least, it's fascinating to look at. joining us, two people who have certainly seen a lot, cnn political commentator and former top obama campaign guru, david axelrod, and the atlantic's james fallow, himself a veteran of the carter administration. david, these republi...