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Jordan transcends. >> bill: here is the contrast. mj6, james four. michael jordan six, lebron james four. he is still playing. nba all-star teams and all defensive selections. >> there is an as -- how many guys didn't get champions in michael's era? barkley, ewing. he dome -- dominique. he stopped other guys from getting their moment. drexler. >> dana: what about clyde? >> i know that was on your mind. >> dana: i agree with everything tyrus said. >> jordan, again. >> dana: what are you talking about? >> he is the goat. >> and a good bowler, too.