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Well banged up and we are trying to figure out that issue. >> joining us now from charlesville with analysis university of virginia political scientist larry sabato and from the "boston globe" newsroom their political reporter james pen dal. larry, on top of the reports that hillary is trying to keep joe biden out, there are also reports her campaign thinks it had an edge in getting delegates. they leaked that what do you make of that and is that make o? is that part of a bigger strategy? >> they're clearly trying to keep him out. they don't want the incumbent vice president running against th...

Trying to figure out that issue. >> joining us now from charlesville with analysis university of virginia political scientist larry sabato and from globe" newsroom their political reporter james pen dal. larry, on top of the reports that hillary is trying to keep joe biden out, there are also reports her campaign thinks it had an edge in getting delegates. they leaked that what do you make of that and is that make o? is that part of a bigger strategy? >> they're clearly trying to keep him out. they don't want the incumbent vice president running against them because it means they'll have to de...

Her. they're all super delegates. so they do have an edge. >> and so let me stay with you, larry. with the edge she puts it out there that we have them. is that a signal to joe biden, don't bother now, i'm almost there. no need wasting your time or your donor's money? >> hilary clinton and the campaign don't want to come down hard on biden. that would encourage him to get in. what they're doing is sending subtle signal to him saying, joe, look at this objectively. we're way ahead of you in money and organization. we're already way ahead of you in delegates. why would you want to go out this wa...

Her. they're all super delegates. so they do have an edge. >> and so let me stay with you, larry. with the edge she puts it out there that we have them. is that a signal to joe biden, don't bother now, i'm almost there. no need wasting your time or your donor's money? >> hilary clinton and the campaign don't want to come down hard on biden. that would encourage him to get in. what they're doing is sending subtle signal to him saying, joe, look at this objectively. we're way ahead of you in money and organization. we're already way ahead of you in delegates. why would you want to go out this wa...

There's a path to run a presidential candidacy. yes, the joe biden decision is the last remaining question mark of the 2016 race in terms of fundamentally changing up who is running and who's not. that is obviously the big question. but this is not 1991 when the world and all democrats are waiting around to see if mario cuomo was going to run for president. he was the liberal dream and the democrat who had the best chance of beating the republican incumbent president. that's not what's happening now. joe biden is your college safety school. if the first option doesn't work out, he'll be just f...