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From one of two places. could have comes from russian stocks or russian military forces. it could have given them to the separatists. but also the separatists could have had stolen them from the ukraini ukrainians. in either case, it's the russians supporting the separatists who are responsible. >> and, jay, you know, there are reports now that maybe the black boxes have been taken to russia and some other evidence has been tampered with. here is my question. the black box, really, what information can it give? they had nothing to do up there in the plane to what happened. we were just comment...

Because the black boxes, particularly the voice recorder, will indicate whether the crew saw anything, how long, perhaps, they had to react. but seriously, the point remains that they're not going to get a lot from the black box. i think they already know that the separatists are involved in this. >> jay, thank you very much for being with us. ambassador, thank you so much for being with us as well. ambassador william taylor. as we pointed out earlier, we learned fbi and nstb will be going to ukraine to assist in the investigation. they won't go to the scene. they'll be in country. tom costell...

netherlands including the owners of a flower shop. >> i was laughing and always together. hard work and now they're gone. >> among the victims a large contingent of scientists heading to aids conference in australia. the u.n. security council holds the emergency meeting. putin is calling if are ceasefire in eastern ukraine. let's bring in aviation expert jay rollins and joined by former u.s. ambassador to ukraine william taylor. we've learned the investigators from the united states will be heading to the area. any concerns? >> well, there's a security concern, first of all. they're ...

But it might not. it depends on whether or not we have a good view of the border area at the time the missile was fired. if we do, resolution can be very, very good down to extremely small distances. down to a foot or less even from some satellites. we ought to be able to tell whether it was fired from the russians or the rebels. it's unlikely it was fired by the ukrainians but it could have been fired by the rebels. >> jay, would you as a pilot be able to determine at this point whether or not there was anything at all the pilots could have done upon impact? i would imagine there was nothing ...

They would only have are seconds to react. in an aircraft the size of a 777 airliner is not that maneuverable. especially to move quickly like a fighter might and therefore you're lumbering along. they are going in a straight line. it's an easy shot for a missile. there is very little that a pilot could do at that point. >> all right. well, thank you very much, greg fife, colonel jacobs and jay rollins, please stay with us. coming up, why would someone want to shoot down a plane with a surface to air missile? we'll have more on the investigation and we'll go live to the pentagon. and how did...