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He was driven from office [inaudible] [laughter]. They were getting together in advance to work it out, which youre not supposed to do. Lets remind ourself of who the players were. These were the top six. The folks across the bottom row, gordon lidy, general magruder and john dean, are the ones who committed the crimes. Gordon liddy mastmindded the breakin into the watergate hotel. General magruder was his boss and john dean ran the coverup. In his open words he was the chief desk officer for the coverup. The gentleman at the top or the supervisors, nixons top aides. John mitchell, bob hall ha...

both liddy and magruder, and i say, gordon, you've got to be kidding. this isn't even real. and liddy, who became quite annoyed with me, snapped his heels and turned to mitchell and said, john, or, general, i can assure you these are the finest girls from baltimore. [laughter] and so he was quite confident he had the talent to handle it. and it went on like that. it was quite an amazing meeting. i knew that mitchell, when he got to the bottom line, was going to reject it. he said, this is going to cost you a million dollars. he said, gordon, this isn't quite what i had in mind: we're...

>> host: in the book you compare barry goldwater to harry truman. how so? >> guest: he's one of those guys who over the years his positions have gotten forgotten, his specifics, and he's come to be viewed by partisans on both sides as somebody who was really a straight shooter, who told it the way it was, who had the respect of a wide spectrum, and i think as history has passed, he is in that category regardless of whether you agreed or disagreed with him at the time, you look at him now as somebody who really had the best interests of the country in mind and spoke his mind. and that...