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Republicans' opposition to obamacare. obamacare rolls out on the same day and the stories about its problems, its hiccups, glitches are being drowned out by the government shutdown. >> that's correct and i would add to that that the republicans don't seem to have an escape hatch open for themselves at this point. i don't know what it is that they can settle for that would allow them to save face. you've got the two issues now of government shutdown and the debt limit running together and that's perhaps opening up some negotiation later on. jenn jon: you think they would have let obamacare roll...

>> that's right. some republican strategists are saying if you look at the electoral landscape in the midterm election, history is on the g.o.p. side, the map is also on the g.o.p. side in the senate but if a shutdown happens, democrats think their chances of retaking the house increase. so a lot of politics here. also mitch mc connell is up for re-election and joe biden who is a deal maker, he's eyeing a white house bid in 2016 so there's some incentive for a deal for some people but not everybody. jon: and as you pointed out at the beginning, the two side aren't talking much. some of the nor...

>> she is other than chris christie. i'm kidding. she's a great gift. to some conservatives short of having a headline that she should be in jail for killing people in benghazi, she's the most popular woman in america. she's the "what if" woman. everybody wants to know what she's thinking and where she is in the process. if she's going to sell copies, which is what it's all about, she gets the cover of the new york magazine and jim -- i almost called him james here -- is right. those two pieces that came out of the "new york post" went further and say it's an ultimatum being delivered to weine...

Will help in his defense, he's entitled to have it done. the problem is, examining that ship now is going to take months, maybe even years. that will delay this trial for indefinitely. what i think he's trying to do here is position himself to say, hey, prosecutors, guess what? once the judge says that i can examine that ship, you'll never see the light of day in that courtroom until that's done. why don't you offer me the deal that i've been trying to get from you? like the same deal that they offered the five other crew members who aren't going to see the inside of a jail cell. jon: but the ...

You know, can't they go on and pass some kind of a bill that keeps the government open? >> i think eventually that's what's going to happen. there's no way the president is going to sign a bill that defunds obamacare. i think that the president might have to give them something so that republican leaders can save faith. remember, republicans in the house, they had a different strategy. they were trying to move a different bill. the conservatives in the house said no way. democrats are not going to help republicans in the house so speaker boehner had to shift and adopt the ted kruse strategy. n...