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Let him finish excuse me a minute. The president , of course, was known to be upset about the recusal in the first place. But look, this is on the front side of all the litany of things you heard about. At the same time, as i said, it went way beyond from the Attorney Generals perspective, way beyond wrong the recusal called for under the regulation thats just wrong. That is wrong. That is not the reading of the regulation. Read it. And the ethics rules for lawyers, rule 1. 7 for lawyers, conflicts of interest. He cannot investigate a campaign in which he was a material part of that campaign. ...

Kellyanne conway would be stupid enough -- i've known her for years. these are ethical people. >> if you're innocent, you act like -- >> not necessarily in washington, d.c. >> if you're not -- no, no, if you are -- >> think about ted stephens being ruined by the fbi -- >> one at a time. maria? >> if you are innocent, you would invite people in to say "i have nothing to hide, look at everything." you would want to be clear -- >> they ruined him -- the fbi raided congressman kurt weldon's office, ruined his reputation. later gave him a clean bill of health. you know, the old expression in washin...