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Wrong. he is barack obama's vice president and that's the most important thing he's got going for him going into this primary. but those other candidates are going to surpass him. he's yesterday's senator and has the feel of yesterday's senator. that's why these gaffs are hurting him because it's raising legitimate questions about his age, does he still have it? is he just off his game? when you do it once, you do it twice. everybody makes mistakes. when you do it repeatedly and it becomes a pattern, people notice. >> dana: the media picked up on it. even the headlines. whoa, wait, what's goin...

But i think the biggest question is, is bernie's second act going to work or is he just a protest hillary candidate from four years ago? >> dana: i just wonder if he's that much of an out sider this time. >> the way the democrats have taken bernie's socialistic ideas and run with them and made them mainstream is frightening. but it's not translating yet to bernie. i still think it's very early. i think biden is week and will collapse ultimately. that's the question, who can pick up after biden's gone? >> dana: who will be ready? >> bernie still has a following. >> dana: i did want to ask you a...

Campaign. nobody in that room less concerned about his ability to beat donald trump. his deputy campaign manager tells the times joe biden has spoken his mind his entire life, which voters know and love about him. he's a real person, he's authentic and that will never change. his poll numbers remain pretty steady. you said you think he will not be the nominee. but is that a risk that these other candidates can afford to take because if they just let him be out there and they don't start attacking him more forcefully even on this issue, could they end up being him with the nomination? >> it's a...

Problem for the democrats because between mrs. clinton and the vice president, it -- two people who would need now on-the-job training. and they're both very familiar to voters. there's no paul ryan effect where suddenly the voters have to meet this guy, have to learn him. he's been by the president's side conspicuously like a handful of vice presidents -- walter mondale for president carter. certainly al gore during the clinton administration. dick cheney for w. these were activist, very visible vice presidents. so as woody allen said, 80% of life is showing up. and i think you just get joe b...

He put 100,000 cops on the street with the clinton crime bill. this crowd wants to take cops away. i mean, there are so many differences between these two candidates tonight. these are two ideological titans going at it. it is going to be fun to watch, and i think the president's right. joe be joe, everything's going to be just fine. and i think the fact that they're sitting down is good. i've seen biden in person many times on the stump standing up. he gets a little carried away. sitting down tonight might be to his advantage. >> the thing i keep thinking about is what is going through paul r...