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Overmedicating people, rape, sexual assault, beatings, being put in the icebox, no pads, no sun, no water. >> this is the dhs facilities? >> yesment but this actually started this kind of like the subtle torture was actually under george w. bush. solidly under his period of time. so to come back to the republican party, it's like, what's up with the republican party that somehow they were okay with unleashing this against undocumented immigrants. and so many of us were just like, oh, they're like illegal. so they don't get sunlight. now we're at a crisis point and this is why we have to begin ...

Just say, eight years? >> do i think it's been growing? sure. great. do you know how many undocumented immigrants have been here during that time? >> they say 12 million. i would say more. in the 20s. >> you just disproved your own theory. >> i don't think i did. >> let me get terry in here real quick. you run a business in addition to being a political marketing consultant. what sam is saying is what i think a lot of republicans believe, that undocumented immigration is kaucausing -- an the steel worker and coal miner who is out of a job is because immigrants are coming from south america and...

Crimes at a lower rate than people born here for one reason, fear of deportation. and if they really cared about stopping border crossings, they would start inkars natucarcerai nice business owners who hire them. they don't. the "help wanted" sign will always be on our border. >> why do the chamber of commerce republicans -- they don't want you verified. >> you have to investigate donald trump. we're out of time. because donald trump is one of the employers of the rich people, and the rich people want to do what they want. this is a great discussion. thank you for being here. we're just goin...

In the u.s. going over to be foreign fighters. for some people and especially in congress that's 4% too high. >> no one wants to be -- also if we transfer these detainees back to the u.s., putting them in indefinite detention here is no more humane than having them in detention there. i think the only hope for hollying gitmo out is back to diplomacy. if you can find some way to find the countries they came from and to give them the political will to take their people back, because congress has built into this process that the president has to stipulate these people will never, ever, ever do te...

To get into this concept that if we simply just drop bombs or give money or elevate one figure, things will solve itself but that's not really how this stuff works. >> or shake hands. >> don't forget the saudis -- >> or hand over the nuclear codes. >> the saudis have thrown some money at some of the forces that we're not crazy about. we're doing the arms. so how is that going to incentivize iran to back off too. this is not just the united states that plays a role in this. >> chuck, looking towards -- i mean sort of big picture here. looking towards the rest of the president's second term, i t...