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Special counsel interest in kushner. The post meantime details how that need for capitol may have been exploited. Shane harris joins us now. Can you talk about what countries they were and what they were hoping to use to manipulate him . The four countries that were identified are israel, china, mexico and the United Arab Emirates and what they found was these officials were discussing among themselves that Jared Kushner might be vulnerable on his lack of experience in government and Foreign Policy seeing him as someone they could persuade. And also his business arrangements which are complex ...

Regulations under which bob museumer w mueller was interest poed, there's a check and balance. the view is there's not enough checks and balances. here they'res lot of accountability, and that's the deputy attorney general. rod rosenstein can step it under the regulations and say you're not going to go there. i'm the one who is the deputy attorney general says this is a red line. so the very fact by the way that the indictment against the russians was announced by rod rosenstein, i think, is very powerful symbolically. it is reminding the country that he is the head of the justice department p...

Investigators about contacts with russians. 13 alleging tampering by russians in the campaign to help candidate trump and/or just cause chaos. the deputy attorney general rosenstein went after his way after that one to strongly suggest that these would not be the last indictments. and some of the language does as well. to pick up on the president's notion, there have been a lot of real witches or allegedly real ones already and perhaps more to come. we're pleased that judge starr is with us as well as jeffrey toobin. what you've seen is i've seen no evidence of collusion. >> right. >> because ...

>> jeff tubin, i want you to weigh in on what the judge is saying. >> i certainly agree that not everything is an obstruction of justice. but the idea that the president has the absolute power to fire the director of the fbi for any reason, for no reason, for a corrupt reason, if, for example, someone deposited a suitcase full of cash on the oval office desk and said, please fire the fbi director because i don't want to be prosecuted, and then he fired the fbi director, would that be permissible too, judge? >> absolutely not. now, that is corruption, and that's the key. that is the key word th...

Branches of government. if the president wants to be n incompete incompetent people on his staff, that is his prerogative. >> and use his business entanglements to his advantage. >> it says more about the president and his judgments than anything else. i don't believe that mr. kushner should go anywhere near classified information. >> congressman swalwell, thanks. much more ahead including conversation with the former independent counsel. we will talk to ken starr next. , and get four unlimited lines for only thirty-five bucks each. woah. plus, netflix for the whole family. on us. prrrrrrr... ...