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Is that ultimately the argument that boehner will have to use it in water to move this in the house? >> yeah, it is. this is round one. there is 2012, the debt ceiling, also the bank that paul ryan has set up an apparent about long-term deficits. we will not get over this any time soon. it plays into the hands of the presidential field. ultimately this debate has got to be resolved by someone trying to take this debate to a national level. unfortunately for michelle bachman, you are not going to have a republican debate that reaches out to independents. that is where the president and john pen...

Position. >> i do not like to come to this table with sympathies for john boehner's plight. the problem he is facing, i think we can all agree, he may be able to agree to something in a room, that he may not be able to get an agreement tomorrow on capitol hill to then make something happen here. what is the number, what do you think the number of republican votes john penner has to get to be able to say the republicans are really participating in this agreement? there is some version of this where you could pass 45, 50 republicans. the rest of democrats in the house. if that happens, is that t...

stalemate. good evening, again, from new york trade 25 hours to go and tell the government shuts down and there is still no agreement on the spending bill. the first meeting this afternoon blasted one hour and 20 minutes. afterward the president went to the white house briefing room for the second night in a row to give an update on the status of the negotiations. >> we made some additional progress this evening. i think the staffs of both the house and the senate as well as the white house staff that has been working very hard. we made some progress today. those differences have bee...

>> the only thing, the only thing, holding up an agreement is ideology. >> it's not about the money. democrats compromise on spending, but republicans are now fighting over social issues. speaker boehner and senator reid already met with the president for an hour and 20 minutes this afternoon. boehner said publicly today, there is no agreement on a number, but multiple sources reported that republicans and democrats are somewhere between 35 and 39 billion dollars in cuts. the issue that could shut down the government is the policy riders. around the clock in order to see if we can fi...