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The prison costs more than the crime they're going to make was going to net them. i think the government needs to shift the money around to create incentives that don't exist that could mean jobs that aren't really there like fdr type jobs to do work. rewards to stay in school to gary's point to not get pregnant get good grades stay out of jail. that would cost less to pay someone nut jail and the incentives aren't there for the people to not fall into these traps. >> john what do you think about that? >> i think that is a massive problem. look you got to break generational cycles here and the...

Does lay out a path to the american dream for upward mobility for opportunities for education. so i don't think we need to be cutting at a time when we're, one, coming out of the recession, and people are still trying to get on their feet and we have to close the gap on inequality that exists. >> right. gary b. government is that the answer? should we be giving throwing more federal tax dollars at this? >> rarely brenda. as you well know i'm such a big fan of the government because they spend the money so wisely you know, john mentioned one number that's just coming from the federal government...

And lousy food in inner cities. whole foods -- >> how are they not creating jobs? >> they are creating jobs but not in the communities that are currently having riots. that's the catch here which is why on the public it looks a little odd. what i'm saying is it's not whole foods' fault. bentley isn't going to open a dealership there. it is the government's fault for providing garbage food to people one of the main problems among others in the areas. it shouldn't be directed at whole foods. that is where the problem is i think. >> whole foods, john quickly, is in some of the communities. what d...

Work together so that we can try to avoid situations like this. >> more officers shot in 2014 significantly higher than in 2013. john quickly, for our viewers, how can they help if they want to donate? >> two ways they can do to. go to tunnel2towers.org. tunnel2towers. or call 844-bravest. it's a toll free number. you'll be able to donate those two ways. or do it the old-fashioned way like michael is going to do and send a check. >> good to have you here with us this evening. all right. coming up next film critic roger ebert had two relationships that would change his life. one with his wife...

Even if he did get this brokered convention and made it to the convention, you have to still convince people you're a realistic candidate, somebody who can be trusted to lead the party then. i don't think that this says this. this says i am a little unhinged. i do want to agree with john quickly. i think "the new york times" attack newt gingrich has run an entire campaign attacking the media. that's what republicans love. >> newt gingrich does it with a fancy vocabulary and a glint in his eye. you look at risk santorum's eyes are sort of bugging out of his head. he's using profanity, this is f...