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Direct threat to one party, the republican party, who relies on that segment, in order to be able to win elections. they have to push fear, they have to push lies, and we are seeing that happening in the vice president is calling it out plainly. >> and john, i see uniting vigorously, and throughout this amount that we played of the vice president, i don't want to steal your thunder, but you said several times, this is where she shines. and i agree with you, 100%. >> look, kamala harris is an advocate, and kamala harris is a prosecutor. so what does she do best? she goes in, and prosecutes an i...

What do you make of this, john? >> well there's sort of two prongs here. one is that this is, you know, moment number several thousand of a centuries-long effort to deprive full participation to black americans. it's also a political effort, one that attorney general just pointed to, of republicans having the tiniest of tiny majorities. once george santos goes, it'll get smaller. they are blocking any attempt, and wanted to see this plays out in louisiana, south carolina, mississippi. my gut instinct is a supreme court is expected to change congressional -- it'll probably do the same. absolute...

Recognize -- americans of color -- the first to recognize the threat trump posed. there was that saturday night live skit that poked fun about how shocked all of the white people were when trump won. [laughter] the black people were like, where have you been? that certainly was part of it. and it's important we have people -- and not just, listen, i think the vice president did a superb job there. but we also need non-black and brown leaders to speak about this. we need everyone to speak very plainly about what is happening right in front of us, less history repeat itself, and again. and i hop...

Super majority, conservative majority, will have to come back and say, no, alabama, you have to do what we said? >> if they choose to do that, i don't have faith in the supreme court for doing all those things. remember, even then, after the supreme court, it took the military, the national guard to get people to desegregate those schools. they are not going to go willingly here. >> laura, kimberly, charles, john. thank you very much for coming back to the today show. and an important note before we go, this tuesday, on the 82nd anniversary of emmett till, president biden will sign a proclamat...

Me. john, charles, and kimberly. all right, alabama, another state in the south, defied the supreme court on creating congressional districts. here is what the former attorney general of the united states had to say on this issue. >> i've also been told that kevin mccarthy, and response to what the alabama legislature has done is that he's interested in keeping his speakership. the margins are very tights and the house of representatives, the republican majority is very small. he, apparently, would value keeping his own speakership more than have been american citizens be treated fairly. >> wh...