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The supreme court. it was interesting to see these judges go back to the campaign statements. joe, to your point, there is a lot of doctrine that supports that presidents can change their mind and they're not bound to things they say on the campaign trail. you have two federal appeal courts who looked back to the campaign statements as a context saying that makes these six countries -- the ban never says the word "muslim" anywhere in it. while not on its face doing t t that, they say they read that as animus, as a context. >> jonathan, listen, there are so many things to talk about here. first...

Look what they're not doing on voter incht d. laws out of north carolina. i'm telling you, he has lost every single significant case there. and i'm not so sure they're looking for any chance they can to push back against a president that does not respect judicial authority. >> and professor terley believes the law is still on trump's side on this. do you believe that, too, when it hits the supreme court? >> there's no doubt that it gives the present's huge immigration powers, broad and often powerful. this is one of those cases where the ban is somewhat unusual so it's hard to predict what the...

To, quote, vigorously defend our duty of the executive branch. chief legal correspondent ari melber and in washington, law professor at george washington university, jonathan terley. professor, i'll start with you, if i could. what's your reaction to the ruling and the way it was written yesterday? >> it's a stinging defeat. i don't actually agree with what the court did. they took a case called mandel from 1972 and twisted it in a way that i would be surprised if the justices themselves didn't find that troubling. that case said that you should, in fact, look at the face of these types of ord...