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Conversations, i feel confident in telling you that -- i said to mr. trump, you're running against one of the most joy list presidential kpaends in history it seems. why don't we find a way to be the happy warrior again. he loved doing the rallies. he loved connecting with people that way. you have to know who your candidate is, and there is no substitute for a qualify, compelling candidate and work with his or her gifts. and i think in the case of the donald trump, he gets his oxygen with being with the voters. >> one thing i take issue with, i think what happened and we've discussed this ear...