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outside, contrasting us with other countries that knowingly don't have that. we're telling ourselves that we do, but, you know, from the very beginning and from all the most noble americans who have upheld that tradition, separation of church and state is just as good for the state as it is for the church. it is -- it protects religion as much as it protects the policy and giving it up that split endangers both. we play with that line a lot and it's in a really dangerous place on some parts of the ride right. >> so good on you. thank you. greatly appreciate it. >> thanks, my friend. ...

with other countries that knowingly don't have that, we are telling ourselves we do. but you know, from the very beginning, and from all the most noble americans who have upheld that tradition, separation of church and state is just as good for the state as it is for the church. it protects religion as much as it protects the polity. and giving it up endangers both. giving up that split endangers both. and we play with that line a lot, but it's a really dangerous place right now in some parts on the right. >> absolutely. so good on you for putting a spotlight on that, rachel. thank y...

For joining us this evening. greatly appreciate it. >> thank you. >> joining me now is democratic congressman colin allred of texas. he's a former voting rights attorney. marc elias's criticism of the electoral count act reforms is that the bill would empower big lie governors, colin. and he argues in part, and its current form, it is not ready for enactment. you are a voting rights lawyer, voting rights expert. do you agree with that assessment? >> i also some issues with a judicial review section of it. so, i do think that it needs to have some tweaking, but to katie's point, the most import...