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The first time, quote, the first time. >> yeah. >> and this is sort of an interesting construction. normally, when you are writing an indictment, and i wrote lots of them, if something happens for first time, you just named the date on which it happens. on a particular date, you and i, katy, we cased the bank, and on a particular date, you and i, katy, we bought a getaway car and we don't say for the first time unless there is something unusual about that, and so when the president speaks in doral, florida n the afternoon, and then afterhours, perhaps in moscow, russian military intelligence f...

Authenticity? and in the earlier, katy, you asked if he had consumed the media coverage and he did not make the way from the west wing until noon today and this is plenty of time to digest the media and perhaps watch a little cable tv, katy. >> and he had an intelligence briefing on the cable this morning and this morning, the intelligence briefing was not there and no reason for why that changed. >> and scrubbed from the schedule and we should notet that the president has a always had an intelligence briefing in the early part of the meeting and scheduled and then went away and then started t...

With the finding. the finding is that there were no other people, and it is directed by vladimir putin, and directed by the russian intelligence service, and the fact that he is floating it out there that it could be other people, too, and nations that are the hackers and the 400-pound guy in the basement of new jersey, and he wants to vit both ways, but when you are talking about national security, you can't have it botht ways. >> chuck, and talking about the intelligence community is not quite enough here. the intelligence community may have had an assessment, but what we saw on friday from ...

Them, and he often says that the under duress or really pushed there by the aides or some sort of backlash, but he will say th that. what is striking is that so far at least, he also, and we heard him say something similart at helsinki that i believe my intelligence agencies, and i also heard what putin said, and he said that he didn't do it. and both of the things simply can't be true. either he believes the intelligence agencies who said that russia did do it or he believes putin who says that russia did not do it. so what you are seeing here, and i know that we have the full tape in a minut...

What witnesses you are going to be calling at trial. so this is not just a view of the department of justice. think of the indictment also as the intelligence community product. we don't talk about any other actors nit oi-- actors in it otr than the russian intelligence, and any others would be nonse nonsense. >> what do you see as detailed on friday that it would have to be as you said going through the intelligence community for vetting? what does it say to you that they were able to release it as wildly as they did with that much detail. >> it is fascinating to me, because i remember strugg...