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Arlette saenz. what this -- what are they saying over there? >> the president returned to washington much the same when he left it, without any clear resolution in sight to avert a national default on the debts as early as 11 days from now. now, one thing that the two sides are doing right now is talking. those negotiators have been on capitol hill for the past hour meeting to try to hammer out some of the very real differences that we've seen from both sides. this follows after that phone call president biden held with house speaker kevin mccarthy today as he traveled back to the u.s. from ja...

Folks may cut social security. donald trump is saying, please, don't cut social security, please don't ban abortion in all cases. but these folks are further to the right than him, and any deal that mccarthy does on debt ceiling or anything else, they're gonna have a veto over. and really, they are running the house. >> yeah, i also got a wonder -- i mean, i did think the news about them pulling this plan for a border bill was a little interesting, tim, because i mean, again, leverages there, if you exercise it. if you are the 18 members and those biden districts, it is a narrow majority. if y...

But two wrongs don't make a right. we know that. now mccarthy is falling into the same trap he criticized. this is going to bite us all in the end. >> harris: all right. elections matter. >> setting up a trouble precedent. >> harris: president obama said that. >> i'm glad to see kevin mccarthy keeping his commitment on this issue but looking forward to seeing his commitment on the crime issue for families like mine. my brother was murdered on june 24th in chicago and i want to see the progressive district attorneys usurping the law to insure the criminals remain on the street and impacting thi...

Tonight. mccarthy had to agree, for example, to a rule that allows anyone number of congress to call for a vote that could oust him as speaker. that once received a lot of attention because it sounds very dramatic, right? snap vote at any moment to replace him. honestly, it could end up being very dramatic, hard-line republicans decide they are lucky in chaos and want to use that new rule to get them some more chaos because it makes them, i don't know, entertained. honestly, though, i think this one is likely to be more of a paper tied route than a real threat. i say that because congress has ...