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That he proved to mueller and mueller's team that he has information that could be extremely valuable, not only about paul manafort. but also potentially about the trump campaign. >> i want to take a listen to how former watergate prosecutor nick acreman thinks this all went down. >> this could have been an all-nighter for all we know. where they just hammered away at him, impressed upon him the importance of having to tell the truth and that the only way he could get into trouble was to lie. and to impress that point, they must have come out with all kinds of other information. and that is wh...

Now the foreign agents registration act has not traditionally been taken very seriously by many lobbying groups in the united states. there has been kind of an understanding broadly that it's not something that you need to register for. and that it's not something that you will necessarily get charged with, if you avoid. and that's kind of the way that lobbying firms have gotten around having to register their activities with the justice department. now that obviously the buck has stopped with paul manafort and rick gates. now mueller is sending a signal to lobbying firms in washington, d.c. a...

This from an advantage, and you think of them as a law enforcement it always gets its man, have you revised your take on the fbi over the last year? >> well, i've revised it in the last week, one of the worst ever weeks and the fbi and its 198 years of history. i will tell you why, two reasons. take the russian investigation. donald trump is president of the united states now and has been for over a year, but there remain zero evidence that says that he colluded with anyone from russia in an attempt to fix the u.s. election. now mueller may have some secret evidence, but he is not provided it....

Do those authorities mean? is that the end of it? were those doj rules meant to stop mueller from ever going beyond that memo? what would the author of those original doj rules say? i mean that would be interesting to find out right now. the man who wrote those rules and who served as barack obama's top lawyer at the supreme court, arguing over 30 cases, winning an obamacare case, serving as acting solicitor general, he is here tonight. former acting solicitor general under president obama. thank you for doing this. >> it's such a pleasure, ari. >> if a counsel, a special counsel like mueller....

Make the point you just did. that even on other issues, say not indicting the president, which is this very dramatic topic, but let's say that mueller was asking for expanded authority to go to a whole other dimension or area, and rod rosenstein determined lawfully that he couldn't go in that area, your rules would trigger to congress that we would all know what happened? >> that's a central concern, it's kind of a plalt tonic question, who's guarding the guardians, and you always have to worry from the stang standpoint of public perception. is that the investigation is being carried on withou...