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Figure among black voters in south carolina at this point. >> zerlina, let's dig into some polling here in the palmetto state. fox poll found overall biden is leading 41% to warren's 12% in south carolina. that same fox news poll -- again, it's on the screen for you. you can see biden and warren are both up since july. in that same fox news poll, among black voters in the state biden polling at 50% which would seem like a lot. but for folks who follow politics in south carolina, that sounds about right, 50%. else right now at 8%. that is a wide chasm. what does she need to do to close a gap li...

May not have ever been to the palmetto state. i was a little surprised. we'll get into that. thomas, i know you just got back from south carolina. you looked at warren's challenge with black voters specifically the there. we're know that's critical for any candidate nationwide. you spoke with one black female voter who said right now people don't know warren and all she needs to do is put herself in front of people. is it really that simple? >> i think that's a big part of it for else. she does not have the kind of longstanding ties to black voters that a candidate like joe biden who has been ...

June to may. we see elizabeth warren jumped from 14% in may to 25% in june, but then take ape look at the moderate to conservative lane. she hasn't moved at all. she moved a point down. she is now starting to take the lead among liberal demps according to monmouth university and that's the lane she's dominating right now. >> how much of it is about monmouth versus suffolk poll? any better numbers for bernie? >> the suffolk poll that doesn't have a trend line, baeshds was at the same 15%, elizabeth warren was 10%. you might find bernie sanders ahead of warren, warren ahead of sanders. there is ...