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Well? >> i want that to happen as soon as possible, chris. so our priorities protect mueller, send evidence to mueller, and we've got a lot of evidence that the republicans would not send over to mueller, and then make sure the public understands what mueller did as soon as mueller is done. that's my priority. >> so i want to play you something else someone on my show who worked for president clinton, speechwriter, said that really clicked something into space, the need for public hearings, public investigations. take a listen purchase there has to be take case made to the public and a real ta...

We see descriptions of not only the false statements that cohen made to congress, but most particularly references to cohen telling the special counsel about the circumstances that he prepared and circulated these false statements that hints bradley -- broadly at the possibility of others potentially at high levels in the white house and elsewhere who participated in preparing the false statements that he pled guilty to. there are also tantalizing references to many secret recordings that he made and text messages and those represent a potential treasure trove for mueller. >> so knowing muelle...

What is your gut reaction to today's news? >> well, knowing mueller and watching the wave he's procey h over the past 18 months, we know for sure lying to him is a big mistake. that's what michael cohen did according to these pleadings. if anybody else in the trump ecosystem, jared kushner, don jr. or anybody else for that matter did the same, they will be in the same position as michael cohen. as to whether or not the lies that have been represented in this information implicate the president, i don't yet see that connection. they've said in here that michael cohen lied and that he actually i...

We have no evidence but you can be sure others will want to investigation that possibility. otherwise, it's the worst of all worlds for him. instead of going to try and communicating with donald trump, he agreed to cooperate, pleaded guilty, now has no legal recourse. he's pleaded guilty. he can't withdraw his plea. he's going to go to court. he's going to be sentenced potentially to 15 years. it's inexplicable to lie to robert mueller. knowing mueller has all the resources at his disposal. the national security agency could be listening and monstering those communications. robert mueller has ...

In a fight that would ultimately go to the supreme court, they might lose that. that's probably why mueller has been seeking to get something more voluntary. let's piecemeal it out, get some written answers and then hey, mr. president, we have some follow-up questions for you. they can certainly issue the subpoena. nothing stops the grand jury from issuing it. but immediately what's going to happen, it will get appealed right away. knowing mueller's personality, i don't think he wants unnecessary fights. bad cases can make bad law. he would like to avoid making a constitutional precedent here ...