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Vaughn, in that interview with andrea mitchell, vice president pence said he did not have any knowledge of the president's personal attorney michael cohen having so in corporate contracts. this is a familiar refrain from vice president mike pence that he gaves that reaganesque head shake and says i didn't know, i didn't have knowledge of. it's a pattern for pence, isn't it? >> welly, vice president pence says the investigation should shut down but over the last year what have we heard from him? essentially pleading ignorance to knowing anything around the investigation at all. here's a couple ...

That he isn't still a figure, a witness potentially a subject. we don't have any indication he's a target in the collusion or obstruction investigation. there are things that pertain to what cohen has firsthand knowledge of, right? >> the thing about cohen in this whole thing, everyone thinks just because parts of it are in new york doesn't mean parts of it are not down here with bob mueller. but there are significant questions about cohen on the russia investigation. he's in the dossier we know the dossier is part of the allegations that they're looking at. there are allegations about meeting...

Of his associates. >> felipe, last question to you. we're hearing a lot about inspectors general these days in the context of hud, secretary carson and the dining set that he allegedly approved. we await this report from the inspector general. how much is their autonomy, nonpartisan stature threatened by all of this. >> you know, they don't have much of a nonpartisan stature to begin w there's a misnomer about inspectors general which i have firsthand knowledge of. not just of our e-mail investigation but prior to that. they are career people who, in the sense of the state department, rotate i...

Election. >> most people were understand the understanding this was supposed to be looking at potential collusion between the trump campaign and russia. >> it is. >> and the only people that have been indicted are russians themselves. we know that hillary clinton -- >> they're not coming here. >> hillary clinton and her team 24 hours after losing came together and said let's look at russia and blame it on russia. they funded the dossier that helped fuel this narrative about russia. all the media cares about are things that we have no evidence of but they continue to ignore peter strzok and lis...

I really wanted the president to lose with blinding out my feelings about hillary clinton up until the "access hollywood" tape was released and i thought that was too much for me, for the tape to be released, not what he said, for them to release that tape. that was a bridge too far for me and i thought about the supreme court and i thought about other issues. >> so do you have a sense based on the questioning how large a role obstruction of justice may be playing in the mueller investigation? >> i don't. once again, they didn't ask me about it because i would have no -- once again, as i said ...