So we take it seriously at the same time, i think in a real match-up, i don't think he would win more than a few percentage points. once people are clear about what he's actually doing. >> i wonder about the trend. donald trump was the first mover advantage. he shows up being this very different kind of politician and basically, i think, hijacks the republican party. now, but the democrats though, they really have their leaders. like nancy pelosi has the house in lynn. and they nominate joe biden, this sort of main stream kind of centrist democrat. and now we're seeing, maybe it is a lagging i...