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Backbone and sinew of this country and all of a sudden it was going great, and a guy in the back yells, major beau biden, bronze star, sir. served with him in iraq, and all of a sudden i lost it. how could you -- that's not -- i shouldn't be saying this, but that -- >> you know -- >> you can't do that. you can't do that. >> joe biden struggling there. joining me to talk about this, larry sa bada and steve shale, also part of the draft biden effort. welcome to you both. so, steve, when you hear the vice president talk on that late show like that, what goes through your mind? >> well, i think fo...

Knows who has really bad augusts. certainly his august 2007 was one that left many people thinking he stdidn't have much chance of winning. to the biden question, there's definitely room for him to grow. you saw in the poll that came out yesterday, 20 points, he's gone up 6 points in a month. he had some of the highest favorables -- >> but let's go back to hillary clinton. i like how you turned the corner on me there. let's go back to hillary clinton. what is her stumbling block? where does she need to improve? what does she need to do? >> well, i mean, listen, carol, i don't work for the clin...

Who is as genuine as a father, of a husband, of a person as there is in public service. and frankly, just the kind of guy we need more of in politics. we're going to keep doing our job which is to organize people, raise money, build infrastructure in the early states and make it clear to the vice president as he works this intensely personal decision we have his back if he gets in. >> but on the other hand, larry, you can certainly understand why joe biden is concerned that emotion might take over if he runs for president of the united states and if he's elected into office. >> carol, he has s...