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International policy at the center for american progress. thank you both. it is a little late in the game to deny the ring leader is the ring leader when all along it's been a one man band. >> i think you're right. it doesn't pass the laugh test. however as a legal matter and public relations matter it may be the only strategy they have. >> who is the audience for this stuff? who is going to buy it, that he didn't lead the band and he didn't have it in his heart to get some dirt on joe biden or at least get the president of a country to say we got some dirt on him? >> the audience are the regu...

Ukraine, not a corrupt russian-controlled ukraine. the only person who is pushing against that right now is donald trump. if he were doing that for some legitimate public interest, he'd have the right to do that, but if he's doing it for a corrupt interest, if he's doing it to help his political campaign or his personal interests, that's not legitimate. now, trump says i'm doing it for legit interest. i'm doing it to fight corruption. come on. donald trump cares as much about stopping corruption in ukraine as marlboro stops about stopping cancer. that doesn't pass the laugh test. it is not a l...

Because these phone calls have been about the family or the leading political rival in this 2020 race. so pompeo too trying to say this is about looking back at corruption potentially in the 2016 race. >> well, there's just so much evidence that that is not what it was about. and by essentially admitting to the central allegation here and then trying to claim that it was a fine thing to do, i think the president has, as you mentioned, put republican office holders in a very difficult position of having to defend the actual admitted conduct at issue rather than trying to deny it and have them l...

Responded to the challenge. we have built the campaign to win, but we want to be very honest with people. fourth quarter is when you grow. if we don't have the money to grow, we will not be able to stay competitive in this race. i don't want to stick around if i'm not in this to win it. >> harris: hugo burton, that seems to be a drum beat among some. >> it is. i think booker's campaign is beyond help, frankly. he's never gotten above 2 opinion % or 3%. his campaign has never really passed the laugh test. there are a couple things, there's one, his rhetoric, where things like self grandizing rh...

Concerns were so important that he did not have to follow these procedures and his claim that the memos he wrote about these meetings with the president -- has claimed that they were his own private property, that did not pass the laugh test and the ig batted that down. >> trace: what is amazing about all of this is that it seems that -- nobody is truly guilty anymore. this was a huge rebuke by most accounts against the former fbi director and i want to put this on the screen from jennifer rubin from "the washington post." "his report reiterates that the doj declined prosecution which by trump...