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Now, on first look, you cannot blame the obama administration for being so enamored with drones. they allow u.s. forces to attack targets without risking american lives and are relatively cheap. however, the obama administration is being incredibly shortsighted. it's not just that drones do inevitably sometimes kill the wrong targets and can thus radicalize local populations and lead to more terrorism, or that they are known to have security flaws, witnessed by the computer virus that hit a base in nevada where the u.s. military fly their drones. it's also that where drone attacks stand in law...

>> she's got a point. women were property. let's be honest, women were property and there were slaves. >> not in all states. >> all these sorts of thing. it's an interesting situation, though, where we had very strict principles about money and politics, and we were like, and you can buy slaves and women as you see fit. and then we're like, hang on, maybe slaves and women are people, but we should be able to buy the government. it's like we traded one sense of fair -- if we're going to be fair to them, we have to put the government up for sale. >> it's the only obvious conclusion, is to make t...

Things -- the fact of the matter is it's not left/right. and i would be interested in your thoughts, tom, if whatever this energy is will be able to make that leap? >> i think the country is pregnant with revolution, and i don't mean that in the violent way. martin luther king was a revolutionary. >> a different way to think. >> a fundamental transformation of society. and president obama in 2008 ran on the phrase, fundamentally transforming america, fundament fundamentally transforming america. and a lot of change happened. he did a lot of reasonable things, a lot of good things, but fundamen...