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In the past, we have accepted the results and vow to come back and fight another day. i'm worried not so much about 2022. but about what looms for 2024. this is all laying a predicate, by the way in defiance of the rule of law. which has been a republican talking point since i can remember. it's laying a predicate for people not to accept the result of whatever the next presidential race might be. a large part of the rational if there's any, to what the former president is doing, is that victim hood sells. it's a motivator. it's effective to say we were robbed. write your check. and make sure ...

Part of our custom, culture, and history. but in the past, we've accepted the results and we've vowed to come back and fight another day. i'm really worried not so much about 2022, but about what looms for 2024, because this is all laying a predicate. by the way, if defiance of the rule of law, which has been a republican talking point since i can remember, it's laying a predicate for people not to accept the result of whatever the next presidential race might be. and i think a large part of the rati rationale, if there's any rationale to what the former president is doing, victimhood sells. i...

He likes it with trump. it's about barr's view of an imperial presidency. >> when you layer the president attacking the judiciary as we've seen also, this individual is an obama judge this person is out to get me, he's laying a predicate for defying a court order. based on the rhetoric from the president right now, what would stop the president if he gets a bad order on the tax returns? the supreme court mate just say go back down there. i'm not going to turn them over. >> one branch to the next. the first democratic debate is one month away. where the 2020 contenders are and what they're sayi...

And they say they are urging the special counsel to make clear exactly what his office is disputing. joining us chuck rosenberg former u.s. attorney in the eastern district of virginia, former senior and fbi justice department official. it is great to have you with us tonight. thank you for making time. >> my pleasure, thank you for having me. >> let me just -- i want you to tell me what you think is important about this. your feelings about the reporting and the first instance but also the statement from the special counsel's office about it. >> there's an aspect of 5-year-old soccer to this....

Gain the initiative with democrats after he's ponted himself into it a negotiating corner and so forlgt. and and that's what it -- if anything he's laying a predicate, i guess for the idea he will declare a national emergency and proof is going to be that he had a speech about how there was a national emergency. >> let's get back to the initial thought before the national big explosion. is this all about getting his number from around 40 to 48? is this to move up the thing, always up to 40 something and back again to 40 and up to something and down a 40? is that what this is about? >> i don't ...