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It is. >> it's like the reformers are up against jabba the hut. it's the unions and the paper pushers. >> city schools are terrible because of unions like yours. >> our test scores are not what we choose to focus on. >> how do you know if they're learning anything? >> i know my kids are learning when i look in their eyes. >> give me a break. >> gretchen: there he is. that's a clip from his special that airs tonight on "fox business" network. joining us now, john stossel. give me a break, right. >> give may break. we shouldn't laugh. this is just so unfortunate that the kids that are stuck. >> ...

Same thing. it's about frustration with the public school system. the inability to measure what's going on there, the inability to measure whether or not the children are learning anything and whether or not the teachers are doing their jobs. and that frustration is what, i think, pointed to things like charter school and standardized tests. >> joining me here on the red carpet, one of the stars of "won't back down," two-time oscar nominee, viola davis. a pleasure to be here. >> thank you very much. >> we are happy to see you and congratulations on the film. >> thank you. >> in the recent film...

That we are now faced with -- watch this. >> reporter: your results are awful. they are among the lowest in the nation. >> you make an argument that it's the lowest in the nation, based upon the test scores. now, i would say that ours can get better. but i would say. >> reporter: your predecessors, the unions have been saying that for years. >> i think the unions have a pretty strong history of advocating for high-quality, public edkaysication. >> reporter: but not achieving it. >> our test scores are not what we choose to focus on. we choose to focus on teaching kids. >> reporter: but how do ...

That we are now faced with -- watch this. >> reporter: your results are awful. they are among the lowest in the nation. >> you make an argument that it's the lowest in the nation, based upon the test scores. now, i would say that ours can get better. but i would say. >> reporter: your predecessors, the unions have been saying that for years. >> i think the unions have a pretty strong history of advocating for high-quality, public edkaysication. >> reporter: but not achieving it. >> our test scores are not what we choose to focus on. we choose to focus on teaching kids. >> reporter: but how do ...

That we are now faced with -- watch this. >> reporter: your results are awful. they are among the lowest in the nation. >> you make an argument that it's the lowest in the nation, based upon the test scores. now, i would say that ours can get better. but i would say. >> reporter: your predecessors, the unions have been saying that for years. >> i think the unions have a pretty strong history of advocating for high-quality, public edkaysication. >> reporter: but not achieving it. >> our test scores are not what we choose to focus on. we choose to focus on teaching kids. >> reporter: but how do ...