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The ledger sheets have been in the newspapers. you get large amounts of money, you don't pay american taxes on it. that's a problem too. this say very deep potential case. the manafort say guy playing along the edges for a very, very long time with some incredibly unscrupulous people. i think it's unlikely they're not going to find something that he's going to wish they didn't find. and that is -- that's going to help them turn. >> governor, you're mentioning there is this kremlin backed figure from ukraine that basically had manafort as a multimillion dollar, you know, paid consultant and adv...

>> if you don't have one, you will be amazed what these little gadgets can do. >> the idea was that ordinary people might have a use for computers. now it took a while to figure out what those uses might be. >> the mane thing was spreadsheets and word processing. the computer was the best typewriter you could ever have. it gave you a new way to write. you could change thing around. and check your spelling. it would always look perfect. >> bottom line numbers. >> my dad had the large ledger sheets and i remember taking a computer to show them. and and i remember taking a computer to show him a ...