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study. >> did it work? what did they find? >> well, again, i want to say again, it is early, these are small studies, i think in some ways this was proof of concept, but look at some of the findings here. gamma waves, the shorter, high energy waves that were stimulating the front part of the brain, they found that that actually did improve overall longer term sort of memory. they were giving people lists of words, people were able to remember the earliest words better when they stimulated the longer term memory stores. the fadeaways, saw that in purple, those are the shorter term mem...

Exploring issues that affect leaders in the U. S. And around the globe. Howard fineman, an nbc news analyst who spent his tuesday in judge ellis courtroom marveling at Paul Manaforts wardrobe. Anyway, mimi, let me start with you. Define Obstruction Of Justice and is it something that has to be done in secret for it to be a crime . Sure, chuck. I want to answer the second part first. It does not have to be done in secret. The definition of Obstruction Of Justice, there are different prongs of it, depending on whether youre trying to interfere with witnesses or tamper with evidence. Its basicall...

It and have to deal with it. as far as the dollar amount, it could be hundreds of billions of dollars. i think collectively if you were to excuse all federal loans, it would be $1.6 trillion. but eventually that's going to be -- that's something that's going to have to be dealt with. one nonpartisan think tank that looks at these economic issues said that this could be very bad, it could be very detrimental, especially at a time when there has been so much talk, especially by this administration, to try to create some balance on the ledger sheets, especially with the federal deficit. some work...

People on the stand, but it was a lot of paper that was presented to the jury today, right, which seems to indicate you may not need rick gates for this. they may have him just with ledger sheets. >> i think that's a very important point. yes, each of these witnesses were used to enter into evidence documents, invoices, e-mails, describing payments of the aand government indicted paul manafort and rick gates together so they are prepared to go to trial and convict both of these men. gates was gravy, he flipped, he turned state's evidence. it would be nice to have gates to walk through this. an...

>> if you don't have one, you will be amazed what these little gadgets can do. >> the idea was that ordinary people might have a use for computers. now it took a while to figure out what those uses might be. >> the mane thing was spreadsheets and word processing. the computer was the best typewriter you could ever have. it gave you a new way to write. you could change thing around. and check your spelling. it would always look perfect. >> bottom line numbers. >> my dad had the large ledger sheets and i remember taking a computer to show them. and and i remember taking a computer to show him a ...