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0 pressure to force a shutdown. we're joined by two political strategists, republican john brabender and democrat bob shrum. let me begin with you, john. should we take the threat seriously? or is this being used simply for fund raising purposes? i've got to believe for someone like ted cruz every time he talks about defunding government, there's a spike in his donations. >> well, i think you're 100% right. there are republican who's just want to burn everything down to stop it if that's what it takes. but i believe you have to separate politics from policy in this case. i do not believe there...

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The ones getting involved and staying engaged. they're not afraid to question the path they're on. because the one question they never want to ask is "how did i end up here?" i started schwab for those people. people who want to take ownership of their investments, like they do in every other aspect of their lives. you've no doubt seen the poll that says republicans want their leaders to be more conservative than they already are. in south carolina, a new primary challenger to senator lindsey graham may well be giving his party what it wants. state senator lee wright

0 say let's defund the government, et cetera, et cetera, and maybe public surveys across the country say that individual is out of step, chances are they're not out of step in their own district. >> i think that's true. one of the problems the republican party has now is that it rode the tea party to power in the house in 2010 and now stuck with all those people. i think john is largely right about what sensible republicans want to do. i'm not sure he's right about the ways out. but you have a whole group of folks who might just take this over the cliff. if boehner holds to the rule that he ha...

0 in the house in 2010 and now stuck with all those people. i think john is largely right about what sensible republicans want to do. i'm not sure he's right about the ways out. but you have a whole group of folks who might just take this over the cliff. if boehner holds to the rule that he las to have a majority of the majority before he'll bring anything to the floor, you might just have a government shutdown. and sensible people in the republican party like john brabender, carl row think this is a train wreck for the gop. it would be the one thing that could really help democrats in 2014. >...